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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The problem with many modern highly insulated houses is that they have woefully inadequate ventilation systems. Active ventilation is a must beyond a certain level of insulation which we are all expected to reach. Bad internal air, high humidity and the consequent black mould are the cause of much respiratory issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In Ennis, where I live, as soon as winter comes and the stoves and open fireplaces are kicked in, the town becomes choked with smog on any day when it's not windy.

    People trying to save money for themselves by burning wood and turf and coal in an urban environment with no real consideration for the others who have to breath in the polluted air.

    If it wasn't for the bans on the smokiest types of coal, the air quality would be even worse, of course, this doesn't stop many people from buying that coal from outside the restricted areas because they're convinced that the smokeless coal is worse and they don't care about the consequences for others around them.

    These same people often burn rubbish in their gardens rather than dispose of them responsibly and see nothing wrong with it.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah. That's a good idea. Spend 150 years subsidising the crap out of all of the fossil fuels infrastructure so that we're almost entirely dependent on burning these fuels

    Then when we've finally accepted that the costs of the pollution are too great to continue on burning them, just expect the alternative sources of energy to compete without any supports

    It's almost exactly the kind of proposal that someone would come up with if they wanted to keep people burning Coal Oil and Gas forever.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I wonder is that relatively clean air one of the "'Green' policies that are destroying our country"

    There are many on this thread who oppose any attempts to regulate anything that leads to cleaner air and water

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like its a near certainty that we'll be getting an FSRU to provide a bit of short term storage for LNG for the country. Once we no longer need it, it'll be sent somewhere else.

    I think thats a decent compromise. Hopefully we won't be leasing it for too long




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Do you realise that you started a post by saying 'You don't get to redefine words just to suit yourself'

    And your very next sentence is 'You called them Nazis'

    I never used the word Nazi. Nazi is not an equivalent word for 'Proto-Fascist'

    This is extremely off topic, but this level of discourse is very frustrating. No wonder you hate environmentalists. You immediately leapt to the conclusion that I called 'all people who disagree with me a Nazi'

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭bluedex


    Wow, I blocked only 2 posters and nearly the whole thread is full of blank boxes now!

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Part of BJ's election manifesto was all of these net zero commitments.

    By Sunak rolling back on them, he is breaking he mandate that his party got elected on. It's completely anti democratic.

    If he wants to change the manifesto. He should announce a new election and campaign based on these new policies

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The thrust of the complaints seems to be Green equals bad. Not much more nuance than that really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,523 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    France have a huge problem at the moment where flights are so cheap that it's sometimes cheaper but slower to take a domestic flight than a train... The logical solution is of course to drop rail ticket prices along the TGF but they're being French about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I don't think anyone has ever said that green equals bad. Most people just want to see some thought put into the decisions being made and a cost benefit analysis done first rather than jump headlong into the latest green fad regardless of other unintended repercussions or costs.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are there CBA's showing we should continue as-is? I'd love to see those



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    So why is air quality worse now than say before catalytic converters or tightened car emissions or before the closing of peat burning plants? Does this not tell you that climate action so far has been a pointless and costly endeavor?

    Or if your argument is that the air quality has improved since the introduction of the above, why aren't they showing us a nice blue schematic showing how much cleaner our air is rather than shoving fearmongery Bullsh*t down our throats?



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you sure you read the right article? Your points are either talking about a different one or you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what is being presented in that article, not sure which

    So why is air quality worse now than say before catalytic converters or tightened car emissions or before the closing of peat burning plants? 

    and

    Or if your argument is that the air quality has improved since the introduction of the above, why aren't they showing us a nice blue schematic showing how much cleaner our air is rather than shoving fearmongery Bullsh*t down our throats?

    I'll respond to both of these together. The article is an illustration of the current situation only, not a trend over time or a comparison to a previous point in time

    Does this not tell you that climate action so far has been a pointless and costly endeavor?

    The data is measuring pollution particulates in the air i.e. the crap you really don't want to be breathing in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    How do they link the deathcount to the PM2.5? Because WHO said so?

    Ireland is a nice white yellowish colour so seems like we've done enough climate activism for a good few decades to come.

    Next generation, you're welcome. 👍️



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its called science - the correllation between 2.5 particulates and health outcomes is well established at this stage and evidence based.Here's the kicker though - its almost unheard of for European countries to burn coal within built up areas - but you wander into any decent sized town in Ireland of a winters evening and you would imagine that you were back in London in the time of the great smogs, its horrendously bad.

    Ireland as usual is not enforcing its own laws with regard to burning smokey coal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Its not just in hindsight. A diesel with a functioning DPF and CAT still emmits 30%+ more localised pollution than a similar petrol car, and this was well known at the time. The science was exceptionally clear on this, its not new information.

    The Green party prioritised the international virtue signalling of trying to reduce Ireland's headline co2 figure over the health of their constituents.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭ginger22


    We probably have the best air quality in Europe and the best water quality too, at least we would have if we didn't have incompetent "Irish Water" in charge of it, pumping it through rotten, dirty pipes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Who are we to complain about 'People trying to save money for themselves by burning wood and turf'... when the government is loading taxes (carbon, excise & VAT) onto oil, coal, gas etc.

    Every action has a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    And this is exactly what "climate activism" is all about - funnelling everyone down the draconian tax regime



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You must live in that alternative Ireland somewhere over the rainbow with the leprechauns.

    I live in the Ireland where before Irish water the local Roscommon residents lived with virtually perpetual boil notices on their water (common throughout Ireland at the time) and where the town air is still thick with coal smog. Funny how those rose tinted glasses work on those so inclined.

    The only real problem with Irish water is that they didn't get the usage fees to allow them to sort out things that much quicker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Was'nt it the greenies that advocated the installation of stoves, told us all that it was sustainable and eco friendly (just like diesel back in 2008).Moral of the story" the greens cant be taken seriously".


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/01/avoid-using-wood-burning-stoves-if-possible-warn-health-experts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    This and the fact that they are extreme socialists disguised as environmentalists.

    Ever notice how much airtime this guy gets on all the news bulletins and online articles:


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    A man that appears to have more power than the entire government yet not a single vote to his name...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I was one of those who ‘went mad’ buying a diesel based on the ( drivel BS ) we were fed then.

    Because of that ‘expert analysis’ at the time and the hatred for all things diesel today, the greens will NEVER get a vote from me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its antisocial

    It's not a hanging offense, but it's anti social in an urban environmnent to burn smokey fuel. You get the benefit of the warmth in your own room, but everyone else pays the cost of the pollution that they need to breath in

    If everyone burned turf or wood, then the air quality would be much worse. They're free riders on the fact that most other people have taken steps to keep the air clean for everyone.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Generally, CBAs aren't done solely for the accepted norms. The "as is" is usually plotted along with the "to be" for whatever alternative is proposed so that apples can be compared with apples, allowing folk to draw conclusions. You almost never see any CBAs comparing both done and if you do, it's never apples with apples when it comes to climate debates though. Anytime that a green alternative looks less attractive, they just up the assumed carbon tax to make it competitive or remove a few unsavoury data points that don't fit the narrative.



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you think your diesel has been a disappointment, it hasn't performed for you, cost you more to run ?

    Why are you so offended by the fact that you bought a diesel all those years ago ?

    Is it real hurt or just a bit of Green baiting ?



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