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gw80 · 20-09-2023 12:25PM

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I think the most unlikely thing to happen there is that he would pull back his troops out of the blast zone first.

Manic Moran · 20-09-2023 12:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133093#Comment_121133093

In fairness, not only did the US lose an aircraft this week, they literally lost it to the extent that they were asking the public to help find it. They've lost enough in the last month that the USMC had stopped all non emergency flying for a bit.

Miltary aviation is just plain not as reliable and safe as we expect from airliners. It comes with trying to eke out every possible bit of performance from bleeding edge technology. The US lost six aircraft last year and they're not even fighting anyone.

Just keeping perspective.

Azza · 20-09-2023 01:03PM

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There is various sources outside of the big mainstream news outlets that cover whats happening in the offensive in more detail. There quite a number of negative indicators for the Russian's such as them having to redeploy troops laterally from other sectors of the front to the Zaporizhzhia area where Ukraine is trying to breakthrough to plug holes, which indicate the Russian's are struggling for manpower, as if they weren't the holes would be plugged by a reserve force that was already in the sector.

There is other indicators such as numerous Russian telegram channels complaining about the lack of rotation of Russian troops in the sector and the effectiveness of Ukrainian artillery and Russian counter-battery fire being ineffective.

Blarney_man · 20-09-2023 01:28PM

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Nah, Dayton was to butcher the Bosnia and Herzegovina. During operation storm, Croatian army breached the border into Bosnia to protect Bihac, and secure the border on the other side to make sure Serbs from Krajina can't come back and attack Croatia again. Sentiment at the time within Croatian generals was that it should be secured all over to Banja Luka so they can't bomb Zagreb in retaliation to the operation storm. Americans ordered a stop just outside Bihac on western front and Derventa up a bit north in Bosnia. Great read below, largest battle on European soil after WW2 (there is probably larger one now in Ukraine)

Operation Storm - Wikipedia

TedBundysDriver · 20-09-2023 01:43PM

Unbelievable stuff 🙄

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-rejects-defective-lot-german-194612761.html

macraignil · 20-09-2023 01:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133835#Comment_121133835

What's unbelievable about Ukraine having quality control for equipment to be used to help remove the moskovyte scum occupying their country?

ejmaztec · 20-09-2023 02:00PM

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I remember years ago in the UK when there were a lot more USAF/RAF bases before the Soviet Union collapsed, and it seemed regular that a USAF jet would crash somewhere on an exercise. Competitive RAF pilots suggested that the Americans weren't as good as RAF pilots when it came to low flying. Whether or not that was true or part of a superiority complex, I don't know. 😛

Dubh Geannain · 20-09-2023 02:10PM

Another strike in Crimea?

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1704446691187843458

yagan · 20-09-2023 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121133961#Comment_121133961

There's a home advantage for british flyers of course, but the shear amount of US military aircraft scattered around the world probably makes most headlines when they do go down.

Addmagnet · 20-09-2023 02:20PM

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I think the invasion of Ukraine is all about resources - whether that's oil, gas, water, people, whatever.

I think Putin et al have done their sums and decided what's economic for them in terms of how long they can fight, how many of their own citizens they can throw at the invasion, how many of Ukraine's citizens they feel they can afford to lose etc., versus how much they stand to gain in the long term (and I mean seriously long term). While I don't believe Putin is a master strategist, I also don't believe he's become addled by age or infirmity.

I think the imperialistic guff that gets spouted is all smoke and mirrors, designed to appeal to lowest common denominators at home and abroad. The BOMB stuff that Russian officials periodically trot out is to try to slow down and mitigate the response to the invasion, until the countries that are sending financial and/or military aid to Ukraine stop and sanctions are eased or lifted ('business as usual' tovarisch).

I absolutely believe that if Russia 'profits' in any way from this, they and others of their ilk will do it again, in the future and somewhere else.

Dubh Geannain · 20-09-2023 02:21PM

A glimpse inside Russia at the mobilised and tight rope their families must walk -

On September 17, Denis Ivanov (the names in this story have been changed for the safety of the heroes) was supposed to come on his first vacation since the start of the so-called partial mobilization. But he never came. Three days before leaving the unit, he called his wife and said that he had every chance of dying in the coming days. The 94th regiment, in which Ivanov serves, confronts the advancing Ukrainian troops. According to the military, several hundred people died in senseless assaults in a few days. They have to go to the enemy "literally with shovels."

The story of Denis Ivanov from the Saratov region was told to the correspondent of Radio Liberty on his own initiative by the family of the mobilized. During an interview with relatives, the military man himself called. The real names and place of residence of the heroes are known to the editors, but are not disclosed for reasons of their safety.

Denis's wife and son live on the outskirts of Saratov - fields begin just behind their house. A small kopeck piece in a mortgage for thirty years, repairs and household appliances on credit. "Like many other wives of the mobilized," Vera shrugs. Little Fedya, who will be two years old one of these days, pulls his mother by the trouser leg and smiles shyly. Vera's sister, Irina, sits in the kitchen. She's here for moral support.

The summons came to Denis in October last year at work.

"Of course, it was a surprise," Vera recalls. - No one expects this. At first, he did not go to pick up the summons. Two weeks later, a second one came. At work - in a security agency - they began to frighten with a criminal record, creating problems for the family. Then he took the summons. And on October 20, he was taken away.

Equipment, like many others mobilized from the Saratov region, was bought with their own. According to Vera, what was given out in the training was worn and more suitable for disposal than for living people.

"He called on Thursday and said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were taking Andriyivka, breaking through to Bakhmut," says Vera. - And they are thrown into this Andreevka practically without weapons - he said: roughly speaking, we go at them with shovels and without artillery support. There is nowhere to retreat, because behind them are their own, who will not feel sorry for them either. He said that of a regiment of a thousand men there were four hundred. Six hundred did not return from their missions. And all this in just two days. And in official reports, we are told that there are only 2-3 people dead.

And this is how Putin has managed to keep a lid on the mothers this time

"Yesterday, my mother-in-law wrote to a group of mothers and wives of the mobilized 94th regiment that our guys are in a difficult situation," says Vera. "That they don't have weapons. And she offered to "spread" this information on social networks. And everyone pounced on her: it is not necessary, they say, to substitute everyone. They are more worried about their salaries than about their husbands. They worry that if the names of the rebels emerge, they will simply be made "missing" and there will be no payments to them.

Basically a couple of hundred may be killed but they only list 4-5 deaths officially. If the families start making utterances the killed are marked as missing and the family is blacklisted.

"They throw us for meat." How Russian troops are trying to recapture Andreevka (svoboda.org)

Gatling · 20-09-2023 02:30PM

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F35 lost the other day and a v22 in Australia a couple of weeks before that,it's not so uncommon for military aircraft to crash, but yes the RAF did generally fly lower on exercises especially on the ground attack tornados and Jaguars( see the mach loop in Wales ) where the Americans stick to harddeck and fly all more sensible altitudes ,it's down to whatever doctrine various forces are using

jmreire · 20-09-2023 02:31PM

Meanwhile, on the Kadyrov status:-

Malinda 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇵🇱🇨🇦🇮🇹🇦🇺🇬🇧🇬🇪🇩🇪🇸🇪 on X: "Kadyrov was diagnosed with brain death, he was put into an artificial coma and doctors from the UAE were called: new data on Ding Dong’s condition has emerged 🐷 Kadyrov could have been put into an induced coma due to the rejection of a transplanted kidney, which began a few… https://t.co/8IXCntRr3u" / X (twitter.com)

Gatling · 20-09-2023 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134172#Comment_121134172

Roll on the chaos

prunudo · 20-09-2023 02:40PM

Nice terminology, 'diagnosed with brain death'. To be fair, I think I've worked with a few people like that!

Gatling · 20-09-2023 02:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134023#Comment_121134023

Looks like a storm shadow was seen in one of the videos doing the rounds

thomil · 20-09-2023 02:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134164#Comment_121134164

There are some pretty interesting stories about RAF and Royal Navy aircraft taking part in the early Red Flag exercises in the US, Rowland White gathered a few of those in his books Vulcan 607 and Phoenix Squadron. I highly recommend both books, by the way. Anyway, apparently, Vulcan bombers were diving down into the Grand Canyon, utility company workers repaired torn power cables, only to find that they had been cut by an aircraft fin from below, Buccaneers returned from sorties with branches stuck in their airframes, the Brits definitely put the low in low level during those exercises.

.Donegal. · 20-09-2023 03:41PM

Sky news

Poland's foreign ministry has summoned the Ukrainian ambassador over comments made by Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the UN General Assembly yesterday.

The foreign ministry said it conveyed the Polish side's "strong protest" against Mr Zelenskyy's statements "alleging that some EU countries feigned solidarity while indirectly supporting Russia".

Sigma101 · 20-09-2023 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134499#Comment_121134499

It's disappointing to see support for Ukraine beginning to drop in some east European countries. In Slovakia, a general election later this month is likely to return a Prime Minister who has vowed to stop sending arms to Ukraine. He also opposes sanctions on Russia. A majority of Slovaks now believe the West or Ukraine are responsible for the conflict.

eire4 · 20-09-2023 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134554#Comment_121134554

It's crazy really. I would imagine that might have been where Zelenskyy was going with his comments rather then Poland. I think it's clear that Poland very clearly understand what an existential threat the Russian dictatorship is.

Gatling · 20-09-2023 04:22PM

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They the Ukrainians are taking several EU states to Court over blocking Ukrainian grain from being dumped and sold on EU states, damaging the same states agriculture sectors,

It's not going to end well if they Ukrainians turn on their neighbours

zv2 · 20-09-2023 05:15PM

Not dead?

Veracity News on X: "🇷🇺Kadyrov denied rumors about his illness: he visited his uncle at the Central Clinical Hospital, who is recovering #VeracityNews #UkraineRussiaWar #ukrainecounteroffensive #Ukraine #Russia #ukrainewar #UkraineRussianWar https://t.co/Nc7yH36S9P" / X (twitter.com)

TheValeyard · 20-09-2023 05:16PM

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If countries like Slovakia want to go down the Anti-EU path, fine let them, but Europe needs to fcuk them overboard.

The EU needs a good look at what future it wants. A forced exit method for countries needs to be examined. Countries like Hungary and Slovakia should be shown the door if they want to play nice woth Russia and stab Europe from within.

RoyalCelt · 20-09-2023 05:22PM

https://twitter.com/TDF_UA/status/1704513695508774938?t=OGluV_fXfO9W2Wwfe55pHw&s=19

Something about Sarah has irked me for a while. Her reaching rank of SGT so fast just reaked of a PR stunt. She's been suspended and is under investigation.

briany · 20-09-2023 05:29PM

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If this is all just a propaganda op by Ukrainian intelligence, I don't think it has that much utility. If Kadyrov is OK, then it just diminishes general trust in what Ukrainian Intel has to say. Most times I've seen them say that this or that Russian general was killed, it's ended up being confirmed, so for them to say that Kadyrov is on death's door and then end up not being so would be a bit of a howler.

Virgil° · 20-09-2023 05:30PM

Just in case anyone is worried about American support for Ukraine:

https://www.razomforukraine.org/2023poll/

63% support American continuing military support for Ukraine in next year’s federal budget.

Almost 2:1 for continued American support to Ukraine. Makes the subject a pretty easy win for any would be presidential candidate. Chances are good that Russia will have to survive until the new president is sworn in 2025, and that's if its Trump, there are many Republican candidates who are just as pro Ukranian/anti Russian if not more so than Biden. Pence, Haley, Scott, Hutchinson have all criticized the current administration for not doing enough.

Can Russia hold out? When F-16s, GLSDB and ATACMS start showing up? Doubt.

josip · 20-09-2023 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134852#Comment_121134852

Going by earlier posts it seems that only his brain has died.

Gatling · 20-09-2023 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134894#Comment_121134894

I said last year at some stage, when she claimed to be fighting on the front lines in trenches and then was the only person allowed to speak on behalf of the Ukrainian military and yet was never seen with a weapon let alone fighting in the trenches, i get the feeling they sold themselves as if you hire me it will look good having a Trans member of the team

Dohnjoe · 20-09-2023 05:45PM

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This populist asshole

https://apnews.com/article/slovakia-election-fico-ukraine-russia-democracy-smer-e9e04e59361d927918ff9e8e6e830694

If these countries want to align with Russia and enable Putin's invasion of a European country, perhaps they'd be better served by being ejected from the EU.

.Donegal. · 20-09-2023 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135010#Comment_121135010

Mad that only 47% of Lithuanians and 48% of Slovakian's think that a western democracy system is good for their country. Would they rather a dictator? And you’re correct, some of them ignore the rules but still take the money. Bit of a joke.

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