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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    There's an awful lot of what you describe there that's still pretty normal in rural France. Most people I know kill their own chickens, ducks and rabbits, milk their own goat and trawl the hedgerows for berries, nuts and mushrooms. As for the obsession with (indoor) toilets - from our rural continental perspective, that's a weird, outmoded behaviour that the Russians share with other primitive people like the Irish, the Brits and the Americans. :-) When you pay for every litre of water, and you're subject to drought restrictions ten months of the year, dry/compost toilets make good financial and ecological sense.

    So while it might sound to pampered city-dwelling Westerners that life is unbearably tough in these kinds of places, it's remains a choice of lifestyle for a good number of former pampered city-dwelling Westerners (like me) - and being able to pick up a destroyed hamlet for a knock down price, complete with plenty of raw materials already onsite for (re)construction will appeal to people beyond those who have no emotional connection to the place.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh I don't deny there's an emotional connection to these places that will doubtlessly drive the reconstruction projects nationally- my primary concern and doubt will be how much say these Hamlets will have over whether they get rebuilt or not. I can't imagine there'll be enough money for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "and being able to pick up a destroyed hamlet for a knock down price, complete with plenty of raw materials already onsite for (re)construction will appeal to people beyond those who have no emotional connection to the place"

    That sounds pretty cynical to me.Realist perhaps but much better unsaid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    I'm making the point that actually reading the thread saves you from link dumping with no context, it also prevents unnecessary posts which I then don't have to ignore...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    It's not cynical - it's what'll drive Ukraine's post-war recovery. For every house that needs to be rebuilt and every square metre of land that needs to be de-mined, there'll be a demand for materials and innovation that'll serve Ukraine's wider interest. We've already seen how quickly they've taken their autonomous vehicle industry from "meh" to magnificient. Once the Russians have been ... persuaded ... to leave them in long-term peace, that's an industry that'll be in high demand from other countries with a desire to have an airforce or a navy but not enough budget to pay for it. We'll see the same in respect of mine clearance: once the Ukrainians have the opportunity to apply the full force of their innovation to the problem of unexploded ordnance, I'm pretty sure they'll be called on to clear territories elsewhere in the world that have been neglected for decades.

    The biggest difference between the Ukrainian mentality (as I see it) and that of the Russians, is that the Ukrainians do what needs to be done, and do it well; the Russians do stuff just for show, like their crappy rebuilding of apartments in Mariupol, and everyone knows it, so no-one will be lining up to give contracts to the post-war Russian companies (especially as the Chinese will be taking full advantage of their weakness in the immediate and medium-term future).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,984 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's what I was thinking.

    There will be huge money pumped into rebuilding Ukraine but it will most likely be in big urban centres.

    When your flat broke from being a refugee you are gonna take the house you are given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Seems to be a change of policy from the US. Obviously nothing to do with Crimea as the US has always acknowledged it as being part of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    In the off chance the previous owner of this vehicle is reading this thread.

    There's some very greatful Ukrainians who'd like to show their appreciation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Guardian, via those UK Ministry of Defence reports, is saying Russia is stockpiling cruise missiles for another winter assault on Ukraine's energy infrastructure.

    So once more, Russia wants to freeze, and kill, ordinary Ukrainian citizens far from the front-lines for no other reason than to sew discord and terror.

    They are, and remain, terrorists.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, if that's your thing, go for it, and I know one or two who have bought country houses as you describe and in France too. That style of life wouldn't bother me one bit, ( hardly surprising I guess, as I've lived it. When you have lived in a tent in a dried up riverbed in Darfur in temps of 40c +, any thing after that is luxury!! LOL 🤣 ) None the less, there's a very big difference living that lifestyle in France and doing the same thing in Rural Russia or Rural Ukraine, ( although Ukraine would be a better bet, by far) But one negative effect of the toilet system is that you have to be pretty careful not to let any cuts on your hands etc come in contact with the soil for quite a while after the "slurry" has been spread. I've seen what it can do in terms of infection after a very short time, ( as in hours ).But once you are aware of the pitfalls, then its OK. Few things beat being on your own ( or with partner ) under a starry sky and being master of all you survey ! When I was in Darfur, lying on a blanket, at night out in the open, the stars were something else. Completely different experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd say this winter Ukraines AA will be in a far better position to take protect its core energy infrastructure.

    Also, I'd expect UAF drone teams to get the Intel to locate these stockpiles and eliminate them.

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    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭threeball


    Time to get additional air defences in position and for Ukraine to attack Russian energy themselves. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

    There'll be a lot less Russian janitors than there were this time last year too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Any rumours about what happened here?I know was mentioned I believe back on the thread a few days ago but seems very strange.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Removed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Not so easy maybe as these missiles launched from quite a distance. Undoubtedly too the Russians will be more careful with dispersing their storage sites now. Maybe targeting factories or munitions in transit if possible would be effective?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    According to the control map , Ukraine appear to have punched a hole in the first main line of defence -

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    But progress has remained haltingly slow, unfortunately, or at least this is how it looks on the front. Were the Russians able to fall back so that the AFU couldn't roll this line up, or was this not even the objective of the AFU in the first place? Are they currently happy to lob ordinance at targets behind the front line and erode Russia's defensive capabilities until the F-16s arrive? Is there any chance that the AFU can significantly move the line before the rain comes and the ground softens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    A lot of rumours on twitter that don is dead. Nothing official, just the usual rumours.

    Its getting interesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Wouldn't be official until it's announced on Tiktok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire



    No, for absolute certainty, you have to wait until the Kremlin denies it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Makes sense as there have been very few cruise missile attacks lately. I'm going to be so pissed off when they start hitting Ukrainian power plants during winter and killing civilians and the West announces more air defence in reaction. Just send everything possible now and limit the damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Bit of a clickbaity headline, but shortages in esential components for manufacturing and fuel are gonna dissrupt their war effort, and phone service issues will piss off a lot of people.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Have we not being hearing these stories since a few weeks after the invasion started. I sincerely hope its true but won't hold my breath still think he can keep this going .I just hope the Ukrainians can keep plugging away and they can get the supplies needed to make a serious break through and kick Putin back and out .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Sanctions will no more win this war for Ukraine than any one weapon system could, but it's the combination of many different "angles of attack" that will, sanctions are just one of the prongs in a multi pronged attack on Russia's ability to wage all out war in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    We've been hearing them for over a year now. A lot of it is wishful thinking. Hey look it it makes people feel better then what's the harm?

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    If Russia manage to ‘overcome ‘the technical/logistical problems of setting sanctioned supplies would the following not be the case - if RU manage to get sanctioned supplies from a ‘friendly country/via the ‘tourist route’, I assume that it pays a premium price. It might also be the case that the goods supplied might be of spurious quality. And sanctioned exports leaving Ru are exported at a very significant discounted price. And such goods are more expensive to ship because of ‘current markets’ being further away and this price would be factored into the export price

    so the sanctions have a ‘Tourist route’ way of impacting. Negatively on the Ru economy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Spot on, plus as the article I linked above mentions, concealed transactions are fertile ground for theft (even the scrupulously honest Russians might be tempted).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They are having an effect on Putin's ability to continue the war. Falling cash income, increasing prices, shortages of manpower etc. Ordinary Russians, the ones who never saw a bottle crystal champagne in their lives, never mind drank it, are suffering badly. And on top of it all, new mobilizations on the cards. 700'000 the figure being mentioned. Despite all the laws and decrees Putin has signed, trying to prevent military age men leaving, you can be sure that its still going on. Its turning into catch 22 for Russia. Transport grinding to a halt, because of diesel shortage's. But what ever diesel is being produced, most of it is been sold abroad for higher prices, which in turn is needed to pay for the war. Vicious circle. And now, the harvesting / planting season is starting, but its threatened by fuel shortages. See what Russia will be like next year if this years sowing fails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If the sanctions are not working, why are they the central demand of Lavrov whenever he is discussing any kind of agreement / threat etc. The sanctions are working, and working very well and need to be increased, with any Country found to be helping Russia evade them, also sanctioned. The Russian war economy with anything even remotely connected to the military arms etc needs to be throttled to death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh




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