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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    6.5L/100km ICE, 190w/KM for EV

    I have my 1.6D for several years, lots of short, some medium and occasional long journey. Its 6.5L/100km, and does not drift too far up or down from that. My general excel entry for EV is 190w/KM. It might be slightly less, but what's the point in an EV if you don't occasionally blast the accelerator :-), and they do not perform well at motorway speeds (neither does ICE, but EV feels like efficiency drifts from optimum by a greater degree at higher speeds)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,363 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I got the 8.2kw per 100km from some website that listed tgat as the real world efficiency of this model and the 30c is my current unit rate for 24 hour electricity. All just indicitive. I'm sure in the real world the savings would be different

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,363 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I've just realised that the sale price for the Ice kona would have been much lower so that needs to be factored in the savings

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭Casati


    Hyundai Kona Kauai Comfort 5DR Finance Available for sale in Co. Dublin for €15,499 on DoneDeal

    Cheapest Kona petrol with circa 100km. This cost maybe 22k new so looking at 7k depreciation. The 64kW Kona cost 38k new so looking at 19k depreciation. Fuel savings significant depending on where it was charged but petrol wouldnt have cost 11k so more like 8k savings. Overall its a win for the petrol. Think the saving here will go to the next owner- buying the EV is much better car/ value than that petrol for small cash extra



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭djan


    Nail on the head there, it takes quite a long time to make up the savings on the price difference of EV vs ICE which is often ignored when doing the calculations. While the next owners won't have to deal with the large depreciation, I assume it will be bigger than ICE once the battery begins to degrade substantially over the course of 10-15 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭denismc


    Not sure if this has been posted already and I am not sure if you would call it a bargain but this is the first Model 3 I have seen posted at less than 30k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    another one this evening, a 20 reg

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35126674

    Tesla M3 SR

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭fafy


    There have been several Model 3’s with an asking price of below 30k for sale and sold, in recent months, even Long Range Model 3’s have begun recently at asking prices of 33k and less.

    Mainly 19 reg models, and as they are coming up to ,or just over 4 years old, and new model 3 is supposed to be announced any time now, will likely drop in price further, i saw a high mileage 3, for 25 k on done deal about a week or so ago,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    That is still pricey. It doesn’t look like it still has its full warranty remaining. One went for ~27k near there a few weeks ago still with full warranty. There have been a few going for under 25k. There is one still up there for the last month with an asking price of 23.5k. Granted, it has 150km on the clock, but the seller seems honest the description (he gives the battery lifespan at 91%, most don’t give it).

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35032511

    Another person got an AWD for 24k at auction a few weeks ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭denismc


    Ah, ok, I'm a little out of touch then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    The prices are changing so fast now its hard for anyone to keep up! 😁

    The 150km 192 Model 3 that was advertised for 23450 just sold.

    Post edited by McHardcore on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I’d go as far as to say that if you are looking for a 2019 or 2020 M3 and pay over €30k, you’ve probably paid too much.

    any ad I have saved that’s over €30k seem to take ages to shift (or the agreed price was lower than list, of course).

    meanwhile the sub €30k ones are shifting pretty quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's just over 5l / 100km for your diesel? That's extremely frugal. An equally frugal EV would use about 14kWh / 100km, I just signed up with Pinergy, night rate of 5c / kWh incl VAT plus €100 welcome bonus. So if you did that, your EV would cost €600 for the 100k km, not €2500

    9.5c per km for diesel

    0.6c per km for EV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'd say he didn't get an awful lot more than €20k for it. Buyer's market out there...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭dinneenp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    The silver one is a base model and being sold by a non franchise trader. I’ve never heard of them and hence can’t comment on their reputation but it was likely sourced as an unwanted trade in. The other one is a much better spec executive model and Monaghans would have a good name and are main dealers for Skoda. It was likely traded in for a new Skoda. I’d suggest that both have quite high kms and will be out of battery warranty with VW at 160K kms. Personally I’d pay a bit more for one with smaller kms to have battery warranty until it’s 8 years old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    e-Golf triplets coming up for auction in Wilsons. Paintwork probably decent once the wrap comes off and small kms on them.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35114151

    Volkswagen Golf Comfortline E1f 136bhp 5dr Auto E



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'd say you'd get one for about €10-11k plus auction fee. Could be a good buy at that.

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  • Posts: 344 ✭✭ Bradley Short Headgear


    The prices you usually claim that cars can be bought for are typically off the wall, dream land stuff to think these will only go for €10 to €11k.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭User1998


    In my experience auctions are almost always more expensive than buying privately. Dealers pay for the convenience of buying online and having the cars delivered to their door.

    Buying privately and having to drive all over the country to view cars is very time consuming but after negotiating hard it will almost always be less expensive.

    If your type of person who pays close to asking price then this won’t apply to you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    do you need to deposit 1k to bid at wilsons online auctions? am i understanding registration correctly? Are the cars usually available to "kick the tyres" or how do you know you are not getting totally shafted?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'm almost always on the ball, although admittedly auctions are very hard to predict.

    Forum regular bought a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD several months ago for €25k plus fees at auction and back then the prices of these cars were at least €3k more than they are now. This was at the very time that people like you were mistakenly claiming that you couldn't find a 2019 high mile Model 3 SR+ for under €30k, they go for the like of €21-22k now. If you read this thread religously and spent some time on DoneDeal every day, like I do, you would know this. And in case it wasn't 100% clear, I am talking about auction and private sale actually achieved prices. Not sticker prices at dealers.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    what price is a garage offering for a tesla M3 2019 average miles? I need to do better than whatever that is :-D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Tesla would offer about €12-16k trade in value on one...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭creedp


    Jaysus thats low. I wonder what the non franchised dealers are picking them up for. Looks like there could be a decent margin for these guys. Time to push harder I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62,924 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Tesla don't want trade-ins, not even other Teslas. They offered me €23k for my car while they had a near identical car (same year, model, colour, less spec but very low miles) for sale themselves for €59k 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭creedp


    A non franchised dealer I was talking to recently said he was picking up ex lease M3s. Given the lack of interest from Tesla he is probably picking them up for a decent price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    The non tesla dealers are asking for a fortune. I have no idea who is buying cars off them.

    For an extra few K more people can go, get a referral code, and buy a brand new one, or stock with 1500e off, full warranty, 0km, and no other owners.

    If I do not pick up an M3 deal privately I will have no bones about switching strategy for a new one - but under no circumstances can I see a scenario for me where these dealers are getting nearly 40k for a used tesla.

    I will also be surprised given current inventory if we dont see 1000-1500 euros more off on tesla.ie over the next 14 days.

    😎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭embraer170


    I must say I don’t have the success negotiating 1000s off the advertised price that some others here seem to have. I seem to be able to get a few hundred, even offering to pay for and take away the car that day.

    Maybe I need more training. :)



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