Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

blackwhite · 12-09-2023 04:42PM

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Supposedly over 100 members at the time that the Burkes were there. It, or some precursor to is, existed when I was in NUIG maybe a decade before that but I don't remember it ever coming to much attention at the time.

It appears to have since been wound down; no longer appears on the list of societies on the Uni website, but there's a couple of different Christian societies listed now instead.

EDIT - A quick google finds the NUIG CUS facebook page is still up, nothing posted since 2014. Interesting email address listed as a contact

blanch152 · 12-09-2023 04:52PM

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It is not a failing of the judicial system that if you don't acquiesce you've no other avenue, it is the absolute foundation rock of the judicial system.

If we don't have a judicial system that requires acquiescence to its judgements, then we don't have a civilised society.

So say, Larry Murphy didn't acquiesce with his sentence for murder, he should have had an alternative option to walk free? That is where your logic takes you. The judicial system has checks and balances, appeals and counter-appeals, sometimes there is a miscarriage of justice, but society accepts that price in order to have a functioning society.

ohnonotgmail · 12-09-2023 04:54PM

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I wonder if he has access to that email address while in the 'joy? a scallywag might be tempted to drop him an email.

blackwhite · 12-09-2023 05:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/105748076#Comment_105748076

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/105748076/#Comment_105748076

Post in the original thread detailing how the Burke's managed to take control of the Christian Union in NUI Galway.

tayto lover · 12-09-2023 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101950#Comment_121101950

That is crazy stuff B&W but a great read. There's a Kezia too?? Mad names for a mad family.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 09:26AM

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The school will then apply for and get a barring order preventing him from turning up at the school - Breach of a barring order is a criminal offence and not civil/contempt so it changes the game.

Can a school apply for a barring order?

I'm no sure they can.

tayto lover · 13-09-2023 10:45AM

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I think they can only be got in domestic violence instances.

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2023 10:46AM

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They've already been told they can , they just haven't done it yet.

Once he is no longer an employee ,his attendance at the school becomes a matter of simple trespass and not some kind of civil/employment dispute.

A barring order is a slam dunk given his behaviours up to this point.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-09-2023 10:51AM

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I'd imagine they most certainly could if he was there for more nefarious reasons.

chooseusername · 13-09-2023 10:58AM

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Would the barring order stop him from standing outside the school property where he is not trespassing? I doubt a judge would grant an order to not come within say a mile of the school.

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2023 11:01AM

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Why not?

Barring orders of that kind are given out all the time?

Not necessarily a mile , but certainly orders barring someone from being in close proximity to the applicant are fairly standard.

I can't see a judge refusing an application barring him from standing outside the gates given all that has gone on.

Judges will be in no mood to give him any leeway whatsoever.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 11:05AM

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Under what mechanism can they apply for a barring order? I can't find one example outside a domestic abuse setting that a barring order was granted.

Him being still being paid by the Department does not nullify criminal law.

If that was the case he would be suing for wrongful arrest when he was already arrested for trespassing.

What should have happened was he was charged for criminal trespass and under his bail conditions prohibited from going anywhere near the school, if he did then bail revoked into Mountjoy until his case was heard. Found guilty and as condition of what probably would have been a suspended sentence ordered not to go near the school or the suspended part would be revoked.

That's what would have happened to literally everyone else on this Island, but not this creep for reasons I can't fathom.

13-09-2023 11:09AM

I think its a case of some commonly used terms have gotten mixed up here.

"Barring Order " is the term used in DV cases, but I think Quin_Dub is referring to the permanent High Court Injunction which Justice Owens already ruled WHS was entitled to.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 11:19AM

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That's a civil injunction, breaking the terms of a barring order is a criminal offence.

That's why he is current incarcerated on contempt and has not been charge with any offence.

13-09-2023 11:28AM

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Semantics.

I think we all know what was meant by the use of the term "Barring Order".

kirk. · 13-09-2023 11:35AM

I wouldn't rule out another member/s of family taking up a position at the school in lieu of Enoch

Boggles · 13-09-2023 11:36AM

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Well no it's not semantics at all they are 2 very different things.

If this creep isn't dealt with criminally like every other person on the island would be you are giving him exactly what he wants.

Martyrdom.

The narrative being peddled by fairly wealthy organisations worldwide is that this man has been incarnated indefinitely without having committed any crime and is there solely because of his religious beliefs.

I think the patience that has been shown is unbelievable, time to take back that narrative for the sake of the school, staff and kids who have been fúcked out to dry and fend themselves. It's extremely tough to watch and read the principal basically begging for help.

13-09-2023 11:54AM

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You're preaching to the choir.

It will eventually be treated as criminal when the DAP hearing has gone ahead, and he then trespasses with Justice Owens permanent injunction is in place.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 11:57AM

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I have no idea what a DAP hearing is, but no hearing nullifies criminal law.

He was already arrested for criminal trespass and a file sent to the DPP.

13-09-2023 12:08PM

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DAP = Disciplinary Appeal Panel. The independant hearing of his appeal against his dismissal (which he is entitled to) has still not gone ahead, so he is still technically an employee.

The DPP decided not to proceed with the earlier criminal trespass charge from January.

It is reported that when EB returned at the start of the new school year and WHS contacted the Gardaí, the Gardaí responded that it was a civil matter.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 12:13PM

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Disciplinary Appeal Panel. The hearing of his appeal has still not gone ahead, so he is still technically an employee.

Doesn't matter, purge laws don't exist because of that. He has no reasonable excuse to be at the school and he has certainly no excuse to be running around trying to gain entry though unlocked doors.

Again, this is a school that contains 100s of literal children not a warehouse or factory.

Child protection laws are supposed to be over engineered, they have absolutely no idea what this guy is capable of.

The DPP decided not to proceed with the earlier criminal trespass charge.

Indeed, no explanation was given.

It is reported that when EB returned at the start of the new school year and WHS contacted the Gardaí, the Gardaí responded that it was a civil matter.

Again, no explanation given.

TBF to the Gardaí their hands are tied by a cowardice DPP.

Quin_Dub · 13-09-2023 12:19PM

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The issue up to this point is that he remains an employee of the school so he can and does claim that him being present at the school is a civil/employment law matter making is very difficult for the Gardai to intervene legally when he's standing at the door etc.

Once he is officially fired (on completion of his appeal) that "defence" goes away and if he turns up and is asked to leave and he refuses it's a simple case of trespass whereas now he can say "I'm a paid employee , this is a dispute about working conditions" (or whatever) and the Gardai can only ask him to leave , they can't force him nor can they arrest him.

The school have been trying to avoid getting him locked up again as they feared it would further delay the DAP meaning that the nonsense would continue.

That and Enoch would continue to collect his Salary.

13-09-2023 12:22PM

I think everything hinges on the outcome of the Disciplinary Appeal Panel hearing.

That's if Justice Dignam would ever gets his finger out and give his ruling on the temporary injuction EB won against it going ahead.

The DAP's appeal against that injunction was heard on 8 August, but for some reason, no ruling has been made yet.

It's likely the reason WHS delayed seeking EB's re-commital for long, in the hopes that the DAP could proceed.

Once that goes ahead, and the even .0001% of EB ever being reinstated is legally ruled out, then the whole game changes.

lmao10 · 13-09-2023 12:32PM

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I still think he will continue to go to the school. I think he and the family are willing to have him jailed for life over this.

Serious questions have to be asked about home schooling and letting kids end up like this.

aloyisious · 13-09-2023 12:36PM

I suppose the question that should be asked is: has the school asked for/included a distance restriction, similar to that used in barring orders, from the school perimeter to be applied to the offender and his family by court order when any of the case were heard and decided on by the high court.

Such a restriction, if/when given by court order, should call a halt to illegal activities by any of the Burke family made liable to obey the order.

Boggles · 13-09-2023 12:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121104544#Comment_121104544

The issue up to this point is that he remains an employee of the school so he can and does claim that him being present at the school is a civil/employment law matter making is very difficult for the Gardai to intervene legally when he's standing at the door etc.

There is no legal entitlement to return to your place of work if you have been suspended or fired in either employment law or contract law. You can't compel your employer to give you work if you breached your contract.

He can stand not on school property with a placard if he wants, but there is absolutely no provision that allows him to try multiples of times to gain entry into the school buildings.

The civil part is settled that's what the high court injunction was about.

The school have been trying to avoid getting him locked up again as they feared it would further delay the DAP meaning that the nonsense would continue.

I don't think they would have been asking for the guards to arrest him if that was the case, plus now he is locked up indefinitely.

aloyisious · 13-09-2023 12:45PM

On the topic of the use of THEY/THEM pronouns in classrooms, its worth noting that this dislike of using the "they/them" pronouns is not limited to evangelistic Christians. A similar dislike to the use in classrooms was used by the parish secretary [Lorcan Dunne] of Cloughbawn, Co Wexford, to include a "stern warning from Jesus" message in last weekend's Parish newsletter about the National Curriculum Council of Ireland and the new curriculum, referencing Matthew 18.6 and the use of a millstone. Mr Dunne defended his message, saying he was taking issue with the use of They Them pronouns in classrooms, that he is defending children and has have a right in a newsletter for a Catholic Church to quote the Bible. Parishioners have objected to Mr Dunne's message in the newsletter.

This story by David Looby is in today's Irish Indo under the heading of: Wexford priest regret's 'pornographic books' reference in parish newsletter.

13-09-2023 12:49PM

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I think he will continue going to the school too!

I think his ghost will haunt the grounds of WHS even after his demise. 👻

Boggles · 13-09-2023 12:54PM

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he is defending children and has have a right in a newsletter for a Catholic Church to quote the Bible

It's been a while since I read the bible, I gave up fiction years ago, but where does Jesus say pronouns should not be used in classrooms?

Hotblack Desiato · 13-09-2023 01:03PM

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Imagine someone smuggling a phone into the 'Joy so they can continue running their ~~drug empire~~ prayer group.

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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