Cult of Stephen Kenny

12-09-2023 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102129#Comment_121102129

Only thing is he considers himself irish. Cant find the interview but he says he'd rather 1 cap for ireland thank 50 for england.

Thelonious Monk · 12-09-2023 06:08PM

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I think more of us wanted SK to do well and were more likely to be patient with him because he's one of our own and we wanted him to succeed. He inherited a right mess and had a terrible run of luck. I never had any grá for MON or Trap or Mick 2.0.

Snooker Loopy · 12-09-2023 06:08PM

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England won't appoint Carsley as senior manager. Not a hope. Southgate would never have got the job if it wasn't for him being a widely respected former England international who everybody liked in terms of having a Trevor Brooking type personality. He had Premier League managerial experience too. If Carsley was to get a club job it would be a lower Championship job at best. Couldn't see a Premier League team take a punt on him. Ireland would take a punt on him for sure and I think he'd take a punt (or a Euro) on Ireland.

Musicrules · 12-09-2023 06:10PM

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He didn't inherit a right mess, he created a right mess and MON and Mick were one of our own.

bike2wkr · 12-09-2023 06:42PM

I'd keep Kenny til end of campaign. He's brought alto of players through. He has made mistakes but I like him and the new culture. A good midfielder in that team and they'd do great

If we beat Greece at home and gilbratar and who knows against the Dutch we could finish well.

Peter Flynt · 12-09-2023 06:52PM

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No one cares about "finishing well".

That's loser SK talk and it's the second qualifying tournament in a row he's said that.

bike2wkr · 12-09-2023 06:53PM

I care , 😂

Greengrass53 · 12-09-2023 06:57PM

I'd love some of that stuff you're on

Strumms · 12-09-2023 07:20PM

Stats, again :

Games : 36

Won : 10

Drawn :11

Lost : 15

Win % : 27.78

Loss % : 41.67

If he was in charge of a PL team with those stats, he’s avoiding relegation by the skin of his teeth.

Kenny Won 41 points out of 108……67 points dropped.

hawley · 12-09-2023 07:22PM

I haven’t had the chance to listen to Eamon Dunphy's podcast on the latest games, but the headline is that John Giles calls for an extension to SK's contract. Does Dunphy ever admit being in the wrong on any matter? I'm presuming that he twisted everything out of context until he got the answer that he wanted from JG.

Zico · 12-09-2023 07:26PM

Ryan Tubridy is available for 350,000 a year. He ticks a lot of boxes, successful in Ireland, experience of working with youth and has a loyal following.

Agent Coulson · 12-09-2023 07:35PM

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Of those 10 wins 5 of them were friendlies against world beaters Andora, Qatar, Lithuania, Malta & Latvia.

Out of 26 competitive matches he won 5 against - Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Scotland, Armenia & Gibraltar,

The Scotland win would be considered a huge victory since according to this thread they have a lot better players than Kenny has available to him.

So pretty much 1 credible win out of his 36 games as Ireland manager.

Jaffa3000 · 12-09-2023 07:36PM

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Not really true at all, Southgate got the job on a technicality and not on his managerial experience or quality (because he is shite). He was not good in the PL and Carsley has done better with the youth team. As an England fan I don’t think Carsley would get the England job next, but it depends what he wants. England youth teams are stable and have been pumping out talent. Ireland definitely isn’t. Also Steve Cooper is now a PL manager and he came from England u18s

DeanAustin · 12-09-2023 07:47PM

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Go listen to it. It’s absolutely incredible stuff. I think Kenny’s time is up but I do have sympathy and respect for the man and what he tried to do.

But that podcast is one of the worst, most ill informed and hypocritical pieces of broadcasting I’ve ever heard. It’s like Kenny’s agent rang them up and said “you need to put something positive about Kenny out there.”

It would be insulting had it come from anybody. That it came from two men who went in hard on previous Ireland managers (Dunphy hysterically so at times) is absolutely mind boggling.

I am now also convinced that Dunphy is on some sort of commission for mentioning Wes Hoolahan’s name.

Strumms · 12-09-2023 07:50PM

What’s the point in keeping a guy who has a 100% failure record in qualifying for international tournaments ?

When the going gets tough, he doesn’t have the wherewithal to get the team qualified.

its not as simplistic as saying he just doesn’t have the players… because he makes rank bad awful decisions tactically and regards to his team selection…… so adding that to not having the best talent at his disposal and we are fûcked.

The hallmark of a great manager / leader, is one who even with average resources at their disposal, they can still enable their team to succeed and still make their goal.

Kenny hasn’t done that, nor will he….

gormdubhgorm · 12-09-2023 10:14PM

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I just watched Simon Jordan interview Sam Allardyce. Believe it or not Southgate was offered the England job BEFORE Allardyce.

But Southgate told Allardyce he turned it down because he thought he had lack of experience. Plus in that interview for the England job Pardew was also interviewed for the job.

It just shows how political Football Associations are they basically want 'yes men' That was the case with Kenny as well I believe. The Irish media backed him. It was a shrewd move by John Delaney in that it took the pressure off him with the fans as well. From a football perspective not such a great move.

boccers · 12-09-2023 10:38PM

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I'm not sure if you understand how building for the future would work but your list of starting teams proves his point. He had a player at or around 20 in every team bar one and then as time went on the number of younger players started increasing and this trend continued up to now.

I think when Kenny said that he made a bit of a fool out of himself as it was only after qualification was a write off that he all of a sudden claims it was meant to be a write off and he was building for 2024.

As for the Denmark game in 2019 you don't batter someone if you draw 1-1 with them. Shots on goal mean nothing if they don't go in unfortunately for us. We had enough chances to draw or beat Netherlands the other night and to draw with France in the home game but we didn't. Is it not results you are after?

Patches oHoulihan · 12-09-2023 10:44PM

He should lose his job for picking Doherty. The player he puts most trust in lets him down the most.

Lots of lovely sideways and backwards passing is what Kenny loves and Doherty is great at.

Blunt and uninspiring with zero penetration

Time to go

rpirl · 12-09-2023 11:32PM

Stephen Kenny's Dundalk on Al Jazeera TV in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICkcYU6Ut7U

Richard Keys also interviewed Kenny on Bein Sport around this time

Then there were some quotes from Mircea Lucescu after Dundalk had played against his Zenit team in the Europa League group stage :

'The best team is Dundalk, I cannot compare them with the others. They can win at home against AZ and it is easy to not lose a match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3903324/Zenit-boss-Mircea-Lucescu-backs-Dundalk-reach-32-Europa-League-surviving-scare.html

Motivator · 13-09-2023 12:13AM

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Kerr got shafted. A total myth that he was a poor manager for us. The Israel results were disastrous but not his fault. 1-0 up and cruising and lazy pressing by the defenders cost us in the 90th minute in Tel Aviv. Then John O’Shea had a nightmare 20 minutes at Landsdowne Road where he was at fault for their two goals. What finished Kerr was his bizarre substitutions against the Swiss in the last game. He knew he was getting sacked if he didn’t qualify us and those subs were the last act of a desperate man to try and somehow nick a win but it backfired.

Curse These Metal Hands · 13-09-2023 12:19AM

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I love how you blame the players performances for Kerr and Trapp failures but then blame Kenny alone for not beating the Dutch (Shane Duffy's defensive boo boos spring to mind, was the lazy pressing in the second half Kenny's or the player's fault?) So it's a myth that Kerr was a failure and in the same sentence you say he made bizarre substitutions?You really post some stupid tripe in this thread, can you genuinely not see how hypocritical you are? We finished 4th in the group, namely because Kerr had us sit on two leads against Israel, like he always did, he was a crap manager. Look at the team he wasted too, a total travesty. Anyway, is football a results business or not? You keep contradicting yourself.

I get that you hate Kenny, but bigging up the Kerr and Trapp eras, as if to say it's an example of how we should be playing is typical clueless nonsense from you. At least be consistent with the barometer that you judge managers with.

Also, Mccarthy battering Denmark 1-1 genuinely made me laugh.

Curse These Metal Hands · 13-09-2023 12:27AM

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It's a results business where Kenny is concerned, it's the player's failing if you're talking about the previous managers.

Musicrules · 13-09-2023 08:30AM

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You've been had! Kenny sold a line and you've swallowed it. He picked the same team as McCarthy except for retirement and then injuries. The young players he selected were the best players available. That's what he's done in his tenure, picked what he thought was the best team at the time. He wasn't building for 2024.

For example, Martin O'Neill gave debuts to more players than Kenny, was he building for the future? Of course not. Kenny was blessed to be appointed when some of our best young talent in a generation were making breakthroughs. That gave him an option to replace Hourihane, to replace Hendrick. Every single manager in his position would have picked Randolph, Collins, O'Shea, Knight, Ferguson, Idah, Molumby and so on.

He was given the opportunity to blend a squad that came so close to qualification for Euro 2020 with all this new talent and he absolutely blew it. And we did batter Denmark. Completely dominated the game. We've been on the receiving end of batterings before and come away with results, it happens. In both those games you mention, France and Holland had more shots than us. Nowhere near the 18 shots to 5 in the Ireland Denmark game though. And of course it's results that matter but that doesn't change the fact that we deserved to beat Denmark.

Musicrules · 13-09-2023 08:35AM

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Eh no. According to Kenny fans, it was wrong for previous managers to bemoan the strength of our players but now that Kenny turned out to be a flop, the players are free game for criticism. Even Kenny was bemused about how any of us could dare think we could compete in a group with Serbia and Portugal. No wonder we were beaten before a ball was kicked in this group.

13-09-2023 08:47AM

SK would struggle to get a job in the 5th tier of English football. The third tier of french football, the fourth tier of german football etc.

So really the bar isnt that high for a new manager. A bit of looking aroubd should do it.

Musicrules · 13-09-2023 08:56AM

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Exactly, we need to search but there are plenty of good, exiting managers out there. I know De Zerbi was with Shaktar but I was unaware of him before Brighton. There are managers like that out there. We need to enlist the help of actual experts in our search and we could unearth a gem. Think outside the box. An Ange Postecoglou, there are good young managers in Germany and Holland. We have exciting players that would be attractive for many managers. We're far better than 55th in the World. That's where Kenny has dragged us and you're right, he'd struggle to get a job anywhere else apart from the LOI.

Thelonious Monk · 13-09-2023 09:14AM

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Shaktar are absolutely minted and would have been paying DeZerbi a fortune, he had also managed Serie A teams previously. Not a hope getting someone like him.

I'd love if someone could name who we could actually get to replace SK, the only person we could realistically get is Mark Kennedy from Lincoln City!

Musicrules · 13-09-2023 09:24AM

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Some managers in Seria A would be on around what Kenny has been getting. I was using De Zerbi as an example because there are many more like him out there. I'm not an expert on European or World football, we need to enlist experts to search for us. We need to think outside the UK and Ireland.

If we were to stick within the UK and Ireland, obviously Carsley is there but checking if Anthony Barry wants to step up would be an option. Unlikely to get him but McKenna at Ipswich. Then we could also approach a Benitez or Wenger type.

I'd rather we go with the European and Worldwide search but there definitely are options, don't you worry about that. We won't be stuck with Kenny for much longer.

13-09-2023 09:26AM

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Always excuses lad. Never actual solutions. We took a punt on an unknown outside of ireland and it has been a horror show.

I can see the loi lads giving any new manager from the continent an awful time.

Thelonious Monk · 13-09-2023 09:26AM

There is absolutely nothing attractive about this job, it's a really weak squad and the wages aren't much.

Cult of Stephen Kenny

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