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Second Captains Part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,959 Hotblack Desiato
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    Five. FIVE WORLD CUPS

    Great article in the IT today from our Ken

    Stephen Kenny didn’t want to be like the old men in the supposed Greek proverb. He intended to be around to sit in the shade of the trees he was planting in his early days as manager.

    Unfortunately, his saplings are not sprouting fast enough to shield him from the harsh glare of the criticism that comes with four failed tournament groups in a row.

    The population pyramid of Irish men’s football has an hourglass shape, like a country that lost a major war a couple of decades ago. We have some decent young players, and some decent older players, but not much in between.

    Imagine Arsenal had taken the [Martin] O’Neill approach when they learned in the summer that Manchester City were also trying to sign Rice. Imagine Mikel Arteta had thought, “Well, to be honest, with City he’ll make more money, win more trophies, he’ll work with Pep, play with Haaland … frankly, it’s a no-brainer. I can’t stand in his way on this. When City come calling and give you a chance, then obviously you’re going to take it.”

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 jaykay74
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    I can usually take or leave the Saturday rte interview they do but I thought Michael Sheen was good today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 Did you smash it
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    an analysis that centers on the lack of the 24-30 experience on the team while ignoring that players in that bracket were prime contenders for our worst performers in Athens (lenihan & odowda).


    the Grealish & rice bollocks still getting an airing aswell. Ken’s fixation along with the evils of let it flow.


    unfortunately Kenny and his coaches just didn’t have the ability at this level of management. We must move on from Kenny soon and move on to someone not mentioned as a contender yet because the contenders being put forward are deeply worrying.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,068 Say Your Number
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    I did like Ken's story about interviewing Michael Sheen during the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 Robert McGrath
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    He was superb, wasn’t he? As the lads said themselves, you just get out of his way and let him talk



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,545 dulpit
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 Shank Williams
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    I hope heaslips tweet gets discussed on Monday. By Ken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 gluppers
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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,951 humberklog
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    RTG* stuff.


    *Rugby Tech Guy

    Funiest I've seen Twitter in a long while.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,959 Hotblack Desiato
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    Surely they didn't make him do the "take your medals and your trophies and put them into the biggest dustbin you can find, because you've won them all by cheating" thing 😁

    He was great as Kenneth Williams, did they ask him about that 😁

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,959 Hotblack Desiato
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    I'm by no means aboard the Kenny fanbus but the massive damage Delaney and the useless managers he appointed did cannot be overlooked.

    "Did he get to the Euros Ken?" well, yeah, kinda, but left the national team in a decrepit state while allowing at least two great talents to slip away.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 Did you smash it
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    I don’t really see it that way. I don’t think Martin O’Neill or trap were heroes or great men or anything but they justified their reigns by getting us to the money offered for tournament qualification.

    as for letting “two great talents slip away”, I think that is utterly deluded nonsense personally but that’s just my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 Raoul
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 dog_pig
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    Couldn’t but laugh at Ken invoking O’Neill like that in the article where he finally acknowledges he was wrong about Kenny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 Did you smash it
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    believing we were ever in the race for Grealish once he began to bang and England showed interest is deluded. Believing anyone who is good enough to play for England would ever play for Ireland when their only link to Ireland is a grandparent is deluded.

    For Rice, ok deluded is probably not the right word. We could have probably cap trapped him if we called him up and played him versus Moldova.

    but saying it was a major mistake to not do that is extreme use of 20/20 hindsight. Dion fanning and Ken, both of whom are the worst culprits for moaning about not cap trapping Rice. But there is more context to it then is ever discussed

    • Ken never said at the time that we should be tying down Rice vs Moldova. Yet feels totally entitled to moan about it in retrospect
    • john Egan was in Brentford’s team at the time but wasn’t in the squad. If they cap trapped rice it would be a slap in the face to Egan. If you’re putting it out there that players will get picked for reasons other than merits it’s a bad thing to put out there.
    • moldova needed to be beaten, cap trapping offers the manager up as a hostage to fortune if the result does not go in your favour.
    • i guess elite sport is cut throat but cap trapping players is not a great practice to be at. It’s wrong in my view. I don’t know how someone like Ken doesn’t see it’s a bit of a **** thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,959 Hotblack Desiato
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    Total rubbish. A substitution still counts as a cap, doesn't matter if it's only for a few minutes. Nobody is getting "trapped", if they don't want to play for Ireland then don't f**king play for Ireland...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 EltonJohn69
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    O’Neil should have locked in Ricsssssssshhhhhhhhh and Jack the lad forever and ever.

    Post edited by EltonJohn69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 healy1835
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    'Trapping' Mark Lawrenson, Andy Townsend, John Aldridge etc worked out pretty good for us in the past no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 Did you smash it
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    you didn’t address the full context I gave but in any case…

    If you have objections to the use of the word “trapped” where the plan is to give a 18 year old a competitive cap they haven’t earned on merit, to shutdown the risk of the 18 year old defecting to their preferred country then I just don’t think we see these situations in the same way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,155 Cienciano
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    Kenny was worth the gamble, but hard to see his replacement being much better, whoever that may be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 jones
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    I dont see how any replacement of Kenny could be any worse results wise. I was a big supporter of Kenny and i think he was needed at the time but he's not the man to take us to the next stage. We've been repeatedly found wanting when a plan B is needed and i think it showed up Kenny's tactical naivity which was not to the standard for international management. He brought through a lot of players and we've more coming from the under 19s/21s so i think we'll be ok going foward.

    The question is who do we get?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 Raoul
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    Tactics were spot on over the last two games. If Evan Ferguson is playing we probably win that game. Adam Idah had a stinker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 jones
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    I think tactics started off very well in the first half of the last two games but once the opposition changed their approach Ireland were unable to adapt. Even taking France and Netherlands out of it, who are better sides than us, this has happened repeatedly under Kenny. We seem to have a decent plan A but theres nothing after it if it doesnt work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 I see sheep
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    Lee Carsley is bookie's favourite. I reckon they'll give Kenny the Greece game, if we beat Greece then surely that's about level par for the group?

    Irrelevant fact - Lee visited my class when I was in 2nd yr in school as Derby were playing a friendly v Galway United.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 EltonJohn69
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    Michael Sheens Father



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 Smell the glove
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    Did he not represent us at underage level a lot ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 cheese sandwich
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    It’s quite mad listening to Ken criticising Kenny for doing and saying the exact same things he was doing and saying a year or two ago when Early was defending him



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