Yep, he has to go. He's had his time.
The logic would be that he qualified us for the play-off and hence deserves the opportunity to see it out.
We're so unlikely to get a play off, it shouldn't factor in.
And another thing that made no sense - we should keep him on because there's an off-chance we could get a play-off.. Surely the exact opposite would be the case?
The idea at senior international level that both parties would be keen to see out a contract because one side seems like a nice bloke, who can be tactically naive or worse oblivious to an opponent's tactical changes just so he doesn't have to get the dreaded call that he's sacked is lunacy. He won't go if there's any money he would walk away from if he walked himself and that's fair enough. I don't understand the logic that at the level he's managing at that he would want to stay in the job because he's a great lad and people feel sorry for him, that's mad stuff too Bill. Kenny always whole heartedly defends himself, he knows the business, from the post match interview last night where he had zero answers he knows at all levels the game is up - you don't need to be a mind reader to have seen that. For some on the pod today to think it's the right thing to keep him in the position because he's an Irish "football man" in his dream job is beyond me.
Yeah, that was a bit weird from Ken. Always thought Delaney and Kerr were a bit too harsh on Kenny, but he spoke brilliantly today.
Seemed to be a little bit of niggle between Ken and Damien on the pod today. Men ; at it.
Ken's comment about Obama was particularly mealy mouthed.
Damien Delaney was excellent today on the pod. I actually thought he really showed up Richie, in terms of Richie's "well what would you do?" approach to the discussion.
His point was that O'Neill didn't advocate for Ireland. He didn't go on a push to promote the benefits of playing for Ireland. He didn't set the public tone that Ireland was a positive place to be.
It was a snapshot into his whole attitude towards the job at the time. Every game was to be suffered through, there was no point thinking tactically about a game etc.
Even when he went to set the record straight recently he took the stance that there was little point to making an effort. He could have lied and said he did everything he could to keep Rice in the background. No one is ever going to dispute it. Rice will probably never talk about Ireland again. O'Neill couldn't even pretend he cared now.
This argument of letting Kenny see out the campaign for dignity is a load of ****. What happens if we lose at home to Greece.? There's no dignity in that
Delaney spoke superbly as to why he should go
FAI have f*ck all money though, it's like some lads think Guardiola will do the job for pennys we ask him nicely enough.
Its hard to see someone do better then 5 wins in 26 games? Alright..... I think I'll set my expectations a little higher then that personally.
Pretty sure it was Wednesday, didn't listen to them in order.
he was where on merit?
So he was there on merit 👍🏻
It’s quite mad listening to Ken criticising Kenny for doing and saying the exact same things he was doing and saying a year or two ago when Early was defending him
Yes. So?
Did he not represent us at underage level a lot ?
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Lee Carsley is bookie's favourite. I reckon they'll give Kenny the Greece game, if we beat Greece then surely that's about level par for the group?
Irrelevant fact - Lee visited my class when I was in 2nd yr in school as Derby were playing a friendly v Galway United.
I think tactics started off very well in the first half of the last two games but once the opposition changed their approach Ireland were unable to adapt. Even taking France and Netherlands out of it, who are better sides than us, this has happened repeatedly under Kenny. We seem to have a decent plan A but theres nothing after it if it doesnt work.
Tactics were spot on over the last two games. If Evan Ferguson is playing we probably win that game. Adam Idah had a stinker.
I dont see how any replacement of Kenny could be any worse results wise. I was a big supporter of Kenny and i think he was needed at the time but he's not the man to take us to the next stage. We've been repeatedly found wanting when a plan B is needed and i think it showed up Kenny's tactical naivity which was not to the standard for international management. He brought through a lot of players and we've more coming from the under 19s/21s so i think we'll be ok going foward.
The question is who do we get?
Kenny was worth the gamble, but hard to see his replacement being much better, whoever that may be.
you didn’t address the full context I gave but in any case…
If you have objections to the use of the word “trapped” where the plan is to give a 18 year old a competitive cap they haven’t earned on merit, to shutdown the risk of the 18 year old defecting to their preferred country then I just don’t think we see these situations in the same way.
'Trapping' Mark Lawrenson, Andy Townsend, John Aldridge etc worked out pretty good for us in the past no?
O’Neil should have locked in Ricsssssssshhhhhhhhh and Jack the lad forever and ever.
Total rubbish. A substitution still counts as a cap, doesn't matter if it's only for a few minutes. Nobody is getting "trapped", if they don't want to play for Ireland then don't f**king play for Ireland...
believing we were ever in the race for Grealish once he began to bang and England showed interest is deluded. Believing anyone who is good enough to play for England would ever play for Ireland when their only link to Ireland is a grandparent is deluded.
For Rice, ok deluded is probably not the right word. We could have probably cap trapped him if we called him up and played him versus Moldova.
but saying it was a major mistake to not do that is extreme use of 20/20 hindsight. Dion fanning and Ken, both of whom are the worst culprits for moaning about not cap trapping Rice. But there is more context to it then is ever discussed
Couldn’t but laugh at Ken invoking O’Neill like that in the article where he finally acknowledges he was wrong about Kenny.
How is it deluded nonsense?
