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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,566 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Musk (and others like him e.g. Murdoch) have been allowed to gather too much wealth and power. Had politicians any integrity, they'd have taxed them sufficiently to prevent them becoming such sovereign individuals, sadly they've either been bought or manipulated into allowing, when not directly assisting, these billionaires to become the threats to global security that they are. I can't see a way to fix the problem they present that doesn't involve execution squads at this point (as any new attempts to tax away their wealth will be too easily hamstrung).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think it was explained, but if I had to guess it's a way to potentially reduce damage from drone strikes; that the rubber might absorb the energy and impact of an explosion, reducing the potential for the plane going up in flames.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    well, what's saddest is that US military didn't have this capability and Eloon was able monetize it. US government taking over businesses is kind of a big deal over there and would take years of legal wrangling. Eloon per the various articles out there has the Pentagon by the short and curlies and dictates Starlink access to them, which if true is pretty damned shocking but I suppose not much different than what the big military contractors get away with (Lockeed, Grumman, Raytheon...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    It's also been speculated that they might help disrupt the infrared signature of the aircraft, used by cruise missiles to find their target. Their appearance seems to coincide with Ukraine's claim that the range of their Neptune missiles has been increased so that they can now strike deep into Russian territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    At a guess its to stop the small bits of shrapnel from the cheapo cardboard drones that ukraine have been using to attack the airfields.

    As even a small piece of shrapnel can cause horrendous damage to a sensitive fighter jet, grounding them for repairs for months.

    However as with the usual Russian MO I suspect someone extremely corrupt was tasked with quickly preparing a solution so that the superior officer can report to his superiors that the job is done and checkboxes ticked off. The Russian MOD is billed an enormous sum for a few bits of rubber that were probably lying in a dump nearby. Everyone in charge fills their pockets, gets promoted and nobody is any the wiser that this will do f*ck all. Until the next plane is destroyed and the poor grunt who was tasked with putting the tires there in the first place will be blamed and probably thrown in prison. Fantastic country really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭yagan


    I can see the grey area where the US commandeering Starlink would be it officially entering the conflict, but it's probably far more effective to muddy its involvement with its own military satellites by using the Musk drama as a distraction.

    It's sounds convoluted, but the Musk drama is a good disavowal of direct US military satellite support. If the US did pay Musk then like I said it would be the US at the front line of conflict, so the current ambiguity works better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We've learnt that independent satellite internet is highly critical for Ukrainians to defend their country.

    We are also learning that a billionaire man-baby controlling said internet is a very bad thing for the Ukrainians (and a great thing for their invaders)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭yagan


    All true, but the war goes on and I wonder if aside from Musk the Ukranians are now receiving direct US back channel support. It's not in the US military's interest to be beholden to a private player to ensure its aid to allies isn't wasted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They're preventative actions taken to prevent any more drone destruction of valuable Russian aircraft, and in the absence of anything else, that's how it will be presented to Putin when he looks for explanations etc, at the next meeting with the Military high command, iE:- Shoigu and Gerasimov ( or their underlings, if heads will roll)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    Russian military engineers looked it up, and they discovered that not one single Irish farmers' silage pit had been destroyed by drones in the past 80 years. So they copied their defenses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Needs a random pallet for full effectiveness.


    Still with the weather remaining mild, could see the UKAF making some autumn gains in their counter offensive. Some of the more spectacular progress were later in the year in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,067 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Time for some Darth Putin...

    If you think your job is pointless, just remember that someone works as a “Russian election monitor”. You’ll feel better.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    Agreed. In fairness to Musk (who is dangerous will go down in history as a bad thing), the US Govt should have commandeered the service, paid for it, made all decisions relating to its use, and taken responsibility for those decisions. In retrospect his hero complex put him in this mess but I (like, i suspect, most other people) wasn't complaining when he stood up and made it all available quickly and freely. The US Govt can still take this step and should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The stalemate list is currently "Pyatykhatky, Lobkove, Neskuchne, Novodarivka, Storozheve, Blahodatne, Makarivka, Rivnopil, Staromaiorske, Urozhaine, Robotyne. Yesterday Stroivka and Topoli."


    Klishiivka is reportedly under at least 75% Ukrainian control in the last week with the Russians stranded after their supply bridge behind them was blown up a few days back.


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    Yesterday they began retreating from the Northern part of the town on foot during the day time with similar consequences to what happened in Urozhine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Morally there's a big difference between curtailing existing coverage to foil an attack, and refusing to extending existing coverage. Most of the 'outrage' articles in the media today are assuming the former, but until it becomes clear which version is correct, I don't think judgement can be passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Our 'new' friend, whatever name now, will be spluttering indignation at this slur!!.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'd be thinking that's not too far off and who can believe what comes out of Musk, given his erratic pronouncements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    It's worth noting that Russian bomber operational doctrine calls for most of the maintenance work on these birds to take place on the flight line itself, rather than having the aircraft moved to a hangar, such as with the USAF's bomber fleet, or indeed the Irish Air Corps. Just compare the level of facilities at laces such as Minot AFB (major B-52 base), Whiteman AFB (Home of the B-2 fleet) or Ellsworth AFB (major B-1B Lancer base) with comparable Soviet/Russian facilities at Engels-2, Shaykovka or Olenya. Now granted, the US bases have significant numbers of unprotected aircraft stands, including of course the ground alert pads that seem to have come into operation again, but even at Minot AFB, which has comparatively little in the way of infrastructure, there are at least several hangars available for aircraft that need to have work done on them. As for Ellsworth and Whiteman AFB, they seem to have one hangar for every two bombers or something ridiculous like that. Once again, they don't have enough hangarage for every bomber, but enough to keep all the aircraft requiring heavy maintenance protected.

    Now contrast that with the Russian bases. There is literally nothing there. Sure, there's a massive runway, quite a few ramps and, in the case of Shaykovka or Olenya significant numbers of remote stands and revetments, but no hangars at all. From tire pressure checks to engine changes and avionics upgrades, everything is taking place on the flight line. That's why you can see Tu-95s without an engine in some of those pictures. In the west, this activity would be taking place in a hangar. And that's also likely why they've brought out the tires. They could not move those aircraft into a hangar even if they wanted to, and these tires are supposed to be a surrogate hangar roof.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The topic of hangers and specifically hardened shelters is an interesting one. The Yugoslavs were quite adept at building the latter during the Cold War.

    The Gulf War had an impact on the perception if their usefulness during a conflict. Still Western nations seemed to put a reasoanble amount of faith in them. The Ukrainian defence of parts of Mariupool might prove a case study in the future.

    It might actually be one area where the North Koreans could provide a degree of expertise to the Russians. Themselves or the Iranians are have spent considerable amount of effort invested in building facilities to survive strikes by drones or more broadly aircraft.

    Quite bleak for the Russian air force to go from possibilities of wholesale adoption of fifth generation fighter aircraft to using tyres to protect their Soviet leftovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    To be fully transparent here, from my understanding, any real heavy maintenance work, such as replacing end-of-life structural components, large scale systems upgrades, and whatever the Russian Aerospace Forces call their counterpart to a D-Check were originally meant to take place at dedicated aircraft repair plants located far away from the operational bases, such as at Kazan's Borisoglebskoye airfield. From what I can see, the bases were kept fairly minimal so that they could be brought back to an operational state after a nuclear strike, without having to clear metric tons of twisted concrete or steel from runways and taxiways.

    The problem is that when the USSR collapsed, a lot of these repair plants were cowboy-privatized and many consequently went under. At the same time, the economic implosion of Russia left pretty much every arm of the armed forces, including the bomber force, were left cash-strapped, with the priority being put on keeping the bombers operational and introducing a limited number of the new high-tech Tu-160. Completely replacing the maintenance concept just wasn't on the priority list.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Elon Musk is a national security risk



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Musk might finally have píssed off the wrong people with this Crimean stunt. If it's confirmed true and he actively stopped a combat mission through interference? Even if Ukraine probably can't do much about it directly, I'd be surprised if American authorities don't extend that reach a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    Lets hope so. Certainly beyond that Musk is a contemptible person this clearly shows the dangers of having so much of the important aspects of the military in private hands. I would also throw in on Musk the following. Let's not forget he has a Tesla factory in China which now makes a huge chunk of the cars they make. So Musk is very much beholden to the authoritarian dictatorship in China whom of course are supporting the authoritarian regime in Russia in their invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    "The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has released a new recruitment video targeting employees of Russia's security services and the military."

    https://twitter.com/MajedSallem/status/1700098796309365094?s=20

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Uhh...

    wow that's creepy. For all we know it's a RuZZia trick looking for people to blame and execute.

    I somehow don't see the CIA as hitting social media to recruit, doesn't seem like their style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    While I havent seen much in last couple days of advances (presuming they are happening) I've seen a lot of footage of Russian armour and units getting absolutely smashed since early September. The Russian casualties the past week must be staggering

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Whether or not Musk is breaking his company's contract with the US defence department appears to be a total sideshow.

    Most notably today Zelensky said that Russian air superiority was 'stopping' (not slowing) Ukraine's counter offensive.

    That's the real issue to be fixed, never mind Musk's shenanigans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This site (again, not sure how legitimate it is but it seems spot on) covers in detail how UAF destroyed an enclave of RuZZian armor.



    Slava Ukrainii!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,815 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes. Because the takeaway from all this should be that Musk's battlefield analysis is on point and not that he is a credulous moron.



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  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why are you validating their posts, by responding?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


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