Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

1323532363238324032413690

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Maybe, but its not just about the ammunition, its about the logistics that were used to get that ammunition there to the front t line in the first place and the logistics needed to replace them

    How long is that area going to have to wait to get replacements

    These thoughts of the endless supply of Russian artillery munitions and what they may get from North Korea are one thing

    but the Russians are notoriously bad at weapons logistics, still manhandling crates instead of pallets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Plus the use of private logistics haulers. If it becomes too dangerous they walk away and then the Russian militia need to use their one tonne trucks on cheap tyres and mobilised serfs to hand ball the stuff.



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Greece and Turkey won't supply much due simply to the fact that despite being NATO allies, they are at each others throats for decades



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Private haulers are going nowhere near the front lines, its trains from Russia then Ural army trucks in convoys to the front

    Its the Russian weak point and the Ukrainians know it

    East of this ammunition dump that was destroyed Russian bloggers said the Ukrainians fired artillery non stop for 24 hours in last day before attacking while the Russians counted 9 shells from there own side in that period



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Ukraine will run out of men - B

    Russia has vast amounts of manpower - I

    North Korea will help - N

    what about Iraq - G

    Almost got today's card. Must be panic on the fronts.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I wonder does anyone know where Putin is or is going to be in advance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They are going close enough to be hit with HIMARS with it's tungsten warhead.

    Assuming they are private haulers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Please tell me how you know this. Any links or evidence would be appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    seems like a fairly obvious keyboard assumption given China will certainly receive lots of battlefield data on the use of its equipment, and we know their open policy on Taiwan, where military tension and posturing and brinkmanship has been a constant for decades now. This includes DPRK.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, he didn't do it to save his own life. As Christs Vicar on earth, He trusts in the will of God, as he should. Besides, he was not in any danger from Putin, imagine the world wide reaction against him if the Pope got killed while on a trip to Russia? He'd be better off going the nuclear route. Because the results would be the same. He reminded a group of young Catholics that a different and better Russia existed before Putin's, and could exist again. And that translates as support for the regime?. If he didn't speak out against Putin,( as I'm sure one of his predecessor's, John-Paul would have done, and strongly too) neither was it an endorsement of him.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Don’t be tempted to give the Chinese too much credit. What you described is an original and clever use of technology, which I feel is beyond their current gifts. Keep in mind that a shocking amount of Chinese tech is a sub-par copy/paste of tech they’ve gained access to or simply stole. Much of that cloned military tech is redressed Soviet hardware, and the lesson they are likely learning (if any) is that they really need to clone some HIMARs and some Bradleys and maybe some Leopards.

    Of the millions in the CCP, they haven’t an original bone between them. They have manpower for sure, and enough reasources to ensure enough bullets are there, but they really aren’t much sharper than post-Soviet Russians when it comes to warfare or preparing for it. They’ll try to copy Ukraine, but they won’t study why they succeeded, or how they succeeded, they’ll just make their own Wish.com copy of the AFU arsenal and hope that’s good enough.

    China is in better shape than Russia for sure….but not by all that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    What other weapons than possibly shells and small drones have the Chinese supplied?

    No tanks, sea drones, landing vessels, Chinese versions of Himars or their J-10 jets to learn from - These would all be needed to attack Taiwan and therefore would be fairly obvious equipment to receive battlefield data on their use. An obvious keyboard assumption indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,141 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Your fooling nobody with this "better Russia" sht. He invoked the Russian Empire just like Putin does.

    A number of very Catholic countries who were victims of that empire don't agree with your blatant sucking of the Pope's ring.

    He fuked up with his limp little comments. The man commands one of the biggest voices in world media and with that voice he has been nothing but a coward when it comes to Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I thought this Pope was indeed in person in St. Petersburg and had to travel from there to Mongolia.

    The threat to his life still stands though.

    Didn't the Italian authorities say Pope John Paul II's assassination attempt was by the Soviets (Russia). And that attempt was in Rome. Not in Russia or Mongolia.

    He plamased the audience of a great past Russian empire.

    He apologised after for his choice of words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    @Rawr I feel like that is underestimating the Chinese approach to things quite considerably. While their command & control style is very much Red Army ca. 1960s i.E. highly centralised, this has slowly been changing over the last decade or so, especially on the naval side of things. The PLA Navy has increasingly pushed out to blue water operations, sending ships to the Horn of Africa on a regular basis, and using their diplomatic clout /economic blackmail as part of the Belt & Road initiative to secure ports and bases further afield in the process.

    As for their equipment, once again the last decade or two have seen a sea change in that regard. Originally yes, a lot of their equipment would have been carbon copies of Russian, or indeed Western equipment. But China's approach ever since their opening to the west in the 1970s has been threefold: Imitate, Iterate, Innovate.

    Now, what do I mean by that?

    • Imitate: This is fairly straightforward. Take foreign designs and copy them. Prime examples of this would be the Chengdu J-7, originally a carbon copy of the MiG-21, the Xian H-6 bomber, a clone of the Tupolev Tu-16 Badger, or indeed the Liaoning, the PLA Navy's first aircraft carrier, which is literally just the former Soviet/Russian aircraft carrier Varyag.
    • Iterate: At this stage, what were up until now carbon copies will start receiving modifications based on the PRC's needs and operational experience. Later versions of the J-7 would be a classic example, as would the later J-11, or indeed China's current primary carrier fighter, the J-15. China's second aircraft carrier, the Shandong is a pretty good example as well, sticking to the general layout of the Liaoning/Varyag but introducing improvements to the engines, deck layout, island superstructure and sensors/combat systems.
    • Innovate: At this point, the PRC takes everything it has learned from the previous stages and uses it to custom design equipment specifically for their use. In many areas, China reached this point quite a while ago. Their latest aircraft carrier, the Fujian, the Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter, or even the regular J-10, as well as most surface warships of the PLA Navy are clear examples of this. Especially the Fujian should not be underestimated. She's the size of the second generation of US Navy super carriers and will be the largest non-US carrier once she enters service in another year or two. Besides, a fourth aircraft carrier, this one expected to be nuclear-powered, is already under construction.

    This is not just restricted to military matters, by the way. Whether it's cars, trains, consumer electronics or even civil airliners, the PRC has been systematically using this approach to build up and then fine-tune its industrial base. Just compare some of the early Xiaomi or Huawei smartphones to the current models. The jump in quality goes far beyond the general changes for the industry. The same for cars, scooters, etc..

    Does every single one of these designs work? No, of course not. China's first attempt at an airliner, a carbon copy of the Boeing 707 called the Y-10, was so pathologically unstable as to be almost useless, and several earlier Chinese car designs have well-earned reputations as death traps. Not to mention the 79€ tablets or smart phones that you can buy via aliexpress or similar sites. But this low-price low quality segment is no longer the entirety of China's technological capability and it would be foolish to underestimate this country, its ambitions or its capabilities.

    Now, I do agree with your assessment that Chinese equipment is not up to western standards. However, it is significantly better than anything Russia can produce in mass numbers and what's more, China has both the manpower and the manufacturing base to crank out massive numbers of even advanced military systems.

    Whether their command & control capabilities, as well as their doctrine, is able to keep up is another matter.

    Post edited by thomil on

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ukrainian telegram. But yeah could be total bs. Hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭macraignil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not sure if its true or not, but would not be surprised if it was true as women have always played their part in wars.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I take it from your language that you are not a fan ...... but anyway, do you seriously believe that for all of its history, it has been the same as it is now under Putin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    There are not many examples in history of Chinese command and control capabilities being tested in the field. In fairness to give them credit the Chinese are well down the warmongering league table. Notwithstanding their repression of minorities and regions within China. They are effective at turning tanks on their own defence less people and we have seen examples of that. And their command and control is very effective at covering such things up and re- writing history. Their greatest military legacy thus far is the defensive fortification of the historic Great Wall. I think the last proper military campaign the CCP engaged in was a short lived invasion of Vietnam in 1979.

    Post edited by 20silkcut on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Just like @correct horse battery staple predicted a week ago. Lol, these pro-ruSSian clowns are so predictable. 🤣



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you might be selling Chinese military history a little short there if all you know about is the Great Wall. Unless you were just being facetious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    His point is legitimate when it comes to modern combined-arms battles. Up until the 1970s and 1980s, the PLA was all-in on the Soviet approach to warfare, i.e. massive numbers of soldiers given cheaply mass-produced equipment and put under an extremely centralised and politically sanitized command structure, with little room for personal initiative or tactical freedom on a small-unit scale. Since the early 2000s, the PLA has been introducing equipment that allows local commanders and even individual soldiers a lot more situational awareness, but it remains unclear how leadership has adapted to that, if at all.

    Now granted, China does have a massive and nearly unbroken military tradition going back millennia. This nation literally wrote the book on the art of war (Sun Tsu, anyone?). However, the last time the PLA saw large scale combat was during the Sino-Soviet border wars in the 1960s, and its invasion of Vietnam in the late 1970s. The "modern" PLA does not have the same wealth of experience that the US or even UK has. And while I do believe that senior commanders are pretty capable and well trained, the question is how things look on a battalion, brigade or company level. And we simply do not know that.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭yagan


    China's number one national stance is not letting a repeat of the century of humiliation and Russia is one of those global powers that interfered.

    Russia committing hari kari with its invasion of Ukraine does nothing to alter China's defense posture. As for Taiwan western powers must also acknowledge that they gave up supporting the ROC territorial claims decades ago.

    Untitled Image

    The areas claimed by Taiwan are actually greater than that of China.

    Edit to add that unless there's legitimate links any China speculation can be described as Russian desperation.

    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Somebody had posted recently, Ukraine testing dropping a 7kg mine from a drone. Well it didn't take them long to be put to use:




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement