Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Say my name · 03-09-2023 06:59AM

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I've a big feeling herbicide use. Be it for docks or gly and that silage saved and fed is a contributer too in disrupting the gut flora that otherwise would be on the attack against worm eggs.

I don't dose cows or heifers. Haven't even dosed this years calves yet. It's September, Oct when the calves here get their one and only dose and that should do them for their life.

But it's taken me years to get to this point both at animal and soil.

GrasstoMilk · 03-09-2023 07:24AM

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Tbf stocking rate would have an effect too. We’re very much at the higher end on grazing ground, they got a dose in June last year and at dry period

dont agree with feeding silage that was sprayed off pre harvest or grazing sprayed off ground

Mooooo · 03-09-2023 07:25AM

Haven't done ours for worms yet, jave switched to using albex on youngstock the last number of years think they have better resistance on it. Did calves for first time yday but they were out a bit late this year

Was a small bit of coughing earlier but have the herd test coming and we hardly had dry days to do the pour on so will wait till day of reading.

If its not working may be worth doing a lung flush on the worst of em to make sure it's worms and not ibr etc

roosterman71 · 03-09-2023 08:25AM

I was reading a Teagasc report last night and it said that vet costs are around €220 per cow in 2022. That couldn't be right is it? It doesn't include AI which was down at €55/cow

K.G. · 03-09-2023 08:53AM

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Between doses and vacs and dry off tubes you d run to 50 a cow no problem and then stick a few visits, testing ,treatments and a shot of lame cows for a pairer you wouldn't be long running a bill but 220 would seem high .if you had 10 visits in the year that bill would easily be 1500.throw in stuff like bvd johne s scanning and now genetics and it all adds up

Siamsa Sessions · 03-09-2023 09:02AM

You’re all a lot more experienced than me here but I’d be making no big decisions on worms and resistance after the summer we’ve just had. Doesn’t warm humid wet weather increase the worm burden across the board?

farawaygrass · 03-09-2023 10:08AM

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I’m finding this year a lot worse alright. Vet even questioned resistance, waiting on a faecal sample. But he thinks not now after talking to other vets, that’s this year is just worse for worms in general. Will await the fec results with baited breath

Bass Reeves · 03-09-2023 11:21AM

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Paid the heard test 68 cattle 320 euro or 4.7/ head, adjusting to animal sales 60 it's 5.33/ head

Dosing materials about 350 or 5.8/ head. Vaccination (IBR for all and Tribovex for younger cattle) about 4/ head. Multi min 5/ head of cattle sold. Add a couple of vets visits and injections about 3.5/ head. Total about 18/ head. Multi min this year driving me above my 15/ head costing in system.

Mooooo · 03-09-2023 11:34AM

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Few years back think they tested 15 calf to beef farms and all had resistance to ivermectin and all had some bit of resistance to others so not harm to alternate doses and keep up with best practice etc.

mahoney_j · 03-09-2023 11:49AM

I used to hold off on the worm doses …..did the dung samples ,milk samples …didn’t dose cows at dry off based on results ….bit me on the ass last year cows yield fell off a cliff ,coughing .we took dung samples but ver advised straight in with eprinex which we did …dung came back with high burden …had embryo losses and lost peak yield …they did recover but not to where they were ….I don’t bother now with dung samples ….cows get albex at dry off and eprinex late may

calves left tilll 6/8 weeks after turnout done with a drench ……left then till first hint of a cough and injectable dectomax …that usually dose them till very late autumn ….found before by leaving calves you’d have a few that were left too long before doing bunch and it’ stunts them.z…I haven’t the help to be bringing in 1 or 2 to dose

Tonynewholland · 03-09-2023 05:32PM

Nitrates derogation change won't be known until next year. Is this a sign it won't change for another year at least.

Sheep breeder · 03-09-2023 06:45PM

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Agree about the dung sampling, last year after weaning the lambs we’re together for six weeks and split the males and the females and tested the two batches 3 days later and the ram lambs came back with a high stomach fluke and the ewe lambs clean as a whistle, didn’t make sense.

whelan2 · 03-09-2023 07:11PM

15 cows calved 15 fr heifers, then a fr bull today. Used 25 sexed straws. Good going I think

Siamsa Sessions · 05-09-2023 11:03AM

Any advantage having a 16 ft 6 slat instead of 14 ft 6 on a tank?

I’m pricing a tank that’d hold 300m3 at the moment and the options are:

1) 110 ft long with 14 ft 6 slat

2) 95 ft long with 16 ft 6 slat

It’d be 7 ft deep with an agitation point on either end.

There’d be a feed rail running the length of it so cows would be standing on it to eat in winter and then walking on it on the way to the parlour the rest of the year

Say my name · 05-09-2023 11:13AM

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Find out the weight bearing capability of both slats. Standard nearly now is 10 ton. These are called tractor slats. Don't go for anything less.

Make that 7ft deep, 9ft deep. Most have pans now able to do so. 8ft at minimum. 7ft too shallow nowadays.

Make the tank larger than you think you need.

White Clover · 05-09-2023 11:15AM

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I’d go with the longer tank as it means more feed face. Also keep in mind if there’s a shed going over it to allow that the agitation points are outside. I.e. a six bay shed would be about 95 feet so your agitation points would be inside that shed, so a 105+ ft tank is what is required. 7 feet deep is shallow, the cheapest storage you’ll get is by going down, 8 or 9 feet is ideal. Also most agitators are 8 feet so they work best in anything over 8 feet deep.

Say my name · 05-09-2023 11:17AM

If you don't have a separate tank for dairy washings and you'll just be using one tank. Those washings are classed as slurry with same storage and spreading requirements. Rules only going one way that way too.

More capacity than you think you need is your friend.

cosatron · 05-09-2023 11:27AM

make the tank as big as physically possible.

mr.stonewall · 05-09-2023 11:53AM

Would you consider a spine wall in middle of the tank and go with 2 rows of 14'6" slats.

Whatever the plan make sure to put more than enough storage.

+1 for a min of 8ft deep.9ft is now the norm around here. Very little extra in concrete to add an extra foot in-depth unless you hit rock

Siamsa Sessions · 05-09-2023 12:47PM

Thanks for all the ideas and comments lads.

I'm not sure but there appears to be rock in the ground so that's why I was thinking 7ft might do. But I guess if I've to get a rock breaker, then busting down an extra foot (or 2) won't add much to the cost overall.

The agitation points would be outside based on how we measured it out, which is kinda pushing me towards 110ft. And the longer feed face makes sense in that regard too.

I'm a little unsure of the parlour washings requirement. I think it's 30L/day per cow for a month. Google tells me that's roughly 1m3 so that'd be 60m3 for 60 cows.

Is that right?

Does this have to be separate from the main storage tank? Or can it be added to the main tank and you just can't spread it as washings?

Thanks again.

K.G. · 05-09-2023 12:59PM

Go for 9ft anyway but have separate capacity for dairy washings otherwise you have to store the 16 weeks of that too.the best move I ever made was to build slurry storage I didn't need in the early days of developing there is no such thing as too much slurry storage in milking cows

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Mooooo · 05-09-2023 01:17PM

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The rock can always be used for farm tracks as well, go the 9ft imo. As said regs are only going the one way so ideally put in more than you need storage wise. If you can keep a separate tank for parlour washings do, but if not as said the closed period storage required will be increased by that figure per day.

jaymla627 · 05-09-2023 01:44PM

Had a unauthorized dd taken this morning for 3k from aviva l and p for pension contributions, changed to bank of Ireland this spring and sent the dd mandate form to aviva that march, but they decided to only resume the policy now and backdate the payments to February, wasnt informed of this our asked to give my consent which you'd think was obviously needed....

Bank of Ireland wont cancel the transaction on my side, as I signed a direct debit mandate with said company, the company have to ring bank of Ireland and cancel the request for above amount, its crazy carry-on, with Ulster bank they would of cancelled the request and refunded the money into your account no hassle, the fraud implications alone if this is bank of Ireland policy are serious

older by the day · 05-09-2023 02:42PM

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I suppose if you are going building I would go as deep and wide as you can. And do it once. The last tank I did was a 16ft slat by 9ft deep. Great capacity. I add a lot of water from march onwards and I spread the watery slurry all summer. But of course it all depends on the budget and price.

7ft is madness. If it's very hard rock ask about going a couple of feet above ground. You can rise it up around it with the stuff that comes out or if you have some filling somewhere. But the rock is always handy for soft patch's somewhere. There will be a big heap with that size tank.

older by the day · 05-09-2023 02:46PM

By the way, is the rest of the country getting the dust these days. A fine layer on everything around here.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/rare-blood-rain-weather-event-27653120

Siamsa Sessions · 05-09-2023 04:20PM

This is where the tank would go. It’s an old dung stead I got cleaned out a few weeks ago. The cleared hole is about 3-4 feet below the yard already. The tank would run the length of the wall. The feed rail would go above where the bank of clay is.

Same thing from the other side below

Pinsnbushings · 05-09-2023 05:12PM

Don't know if you are going for a grant, but there is about 40percent steel required in a 9ft deep grant spec tank versus an 8ft deep one.

I got caught with that one, I built a 9ft with 16ft 6 slats 18 months ago, great capacity in it though.

whelan2 · 05-09-2023 05:26PM

This is ours

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orm0nd · 05-09-2023 06:33PM

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I see Farmer Phil has issues with misuse of mectin dosing, cringed when I saw him using cydectin last june, not thinking he'd have losses this year but what resistance would they have next year? I think his vet is more to blame here than the product itself.

JustJoe7240 · 05-09-2023 07:28PM

@Siamsa Sessions Have you decided to go at the cows?

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