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Will the good times ever return?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yeaaaaa there has been, since hell right around the same pivot point, the big catholic upheaval because - well, people talk to each other now. A lot. And it was just too much to gloss over anymore. "Let Jesus enter you" meant something else to too many people now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭quokula


    No, you won't be young again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    This gave me a laugh. Apparently young lads don't have the balls to approach someone in college, get to know them for a few weeks and then ask them to go for a drink hahaha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But what do you want the freedom to do or be? Do you know? People, including myself, were free but very un-directed in the 90s, 00s. I think that totally passive free floating sense of possibility wasn't going anywhere for a lot of people and didn't culminate in anything much. Hedonism just goes around in circles.

    There is a lot of double-negative reactivity right now. Few people have totally independent, positive, creative aims that motivate them strongly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Some things were certainly worse, but I would say the average Irish person was happier from the mid nineties to 2001 or so.

    In terms of big stuff, houses were way more affordable than they are now. The health service was poor, but a smaller population meant it wasn’t under as much pressure.

    Communities were stronger, probably because population was less transient and the non availability of the internet meant fewer entertainment options.

    There was a bit less division, again pre internet you didn’t have crackpots coming together convincing each other vaccines were a form of mass control etc.

    Of course there were negatives, a stronger drink culture, far more corruption, more homophobia and social snobbery. But with most of these issues there was a sense that things could improve.

    I think there’s a more negative outlook today among the public. No one really expects our hospitals to improve or our hosing crisis to ease.

    It’s not a dark time like 07 to 2015 or so, but it is not a very contented time in the Republic of Ireland either.


    Some positives I do see over the last few years are a realisation that social media can be very damaging and the potential of remote work to take the sting out of the housing market in the cities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Astartes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The 2015-2020 period was incredible.

    Employers and recruiters banging down the door offering big salaries in MNCs.

    Out for pints 3 times a week with the lads, cheap flights to Italy and Spain whenever we had a weekend free. Didnt bother with festivals in Ireland, too busy with Primavera and Nos Alive. Nothing like dancing on the beach at 4am.

    Second hand cars were cheap as chips, we were all driving mid 00s big engine BMWs picked up for less than 5k (thank you luxobarge thread)

    Want a date? Pop onto Tinder and you'll have women lined up easy as you like. Didn't even need to chat them up in the pub.

    Then COVID happened and it all went to sh"te for a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭francois


    The 80s and early 90s had massive emigration and unemployment. Horrible grey time for most. The only fun to be had for a young person was raving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,618 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    No one back then was walking around with €1000 iPhones and drinking expensive coffee, and travelling all over the world multiple times a year. Or binge watching Netflix on wall sized TVs.

    You don't go from being a backwater off the edge of Europe to "go to destination" European capital without it getting a lot more expensive. You don't grow your population massively and not have an effect of housing and services.

    If you want to relieve the 1990s go to a country that's poorer and underdeveloped. Because that's where Dublin and Ireland was back then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,367 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i think we're still very much in the good times. i mean i had to either flatshare or live at home or was abroad until i was 36, which isn't that long ago, so it's not like all of us were able to just buy a house when we felt like it back in the day either. i seemed to live payday to payday until the last few years where i've become more settled.

    bars, restaurants, airport all jammed all the time in dublin, more cars on the road than ever, full employment, there doesn't seem to be a lack of money or opportunity around anyway

    if these are the bad times i dread to think about the actual really bad times!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Honey50000


    Smoking in pubs was a good thing selfish people putting other peoples lives at risk. Today young men don’t have the balls and toxic attitudes with people like Tate prevail. Maybe women are not the same as they were then ever think about that and maybe ask youself why so many people follow him. Also pretty sure Ireland was broke in the 80s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    There's great money in rose tinted specs OP, they're flying off the shelves.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Obviously things never go back to how they were but there is a definite unease in the air this year amongst people across many sectors and industries. People seem stressed and on edge.

    I'm not sure if its due to technology and information at the palm of our hands but we seem to bombarded with bad news and problems, being bounced from one crisis to the next, dire warnings constantly being pushed down our necks.

    We're not allowed enjoy ourselves anymore without some killjoy or government warning telling us of impending doom.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,067 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think that, if we're honest, the "good times" were a bit of a sham. If they weren't there'd be no bubble to burst. Everybody was getting cheap credit including too many who were in no position to pay it back and this led to the 2008 crash, the hangover of which we're still living in. Obviously, covid exacerbated that but with the rise of AI, climate change and the continued erosion of the social contract, it's hard to see the world as being in anything but managed decline for the forseeable future.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The halcyon days of breathing in second hand smoke while eating, drinking, watching a movie in the cinema or travelling on public transport

    Oh how I miss thee 🙁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I'm a similar age to the OP and the person is deluded. Country is way better now.

    Economy is multiples of 10 better, higher paid jobs, tax is actually less now than it was then.

    Mass emigration has stopped.

    Infrastructure better now, Luas, Motorways etc still more work to do there. Get metros and other stuff built.

    Smoking ban is fantastic, No way would I want to go back to that.

    Church has lost its power and most people don't listen to their dogma and people actually have sex lives.

    Much more advanced and tolerant socially, divorce, abortion and same sex marriage.

    Food has improved with much more choice and influence of immigrants to country

    Northern Ireland situation improved.

    Thanks to Ryanair, better and cheaper options for travel and holidays

    Social Protection: People don't realise it but social welfare care is really good here and improved so much and it's mostly used by Irish people before the bigots jump in.

    Health Care: Not perfect but nowhere near as bad as people make out.

    Housing: This is the no 1 problem that needs fixing, has become unaffordable and unobtainable for many, Need to build more and change planning laws to stop people objecting to everything.


    I've travelled and lived abroad and very happy to live in Ireland, positives far outweigh the negatives and irish people have an enjoyement of life that you don't get in many other countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Boom times won't be back. That was really from the late nineties till 2008. The trends are climate change, wars, resource shortages and overpopulation for the future. Our way of life here will be affected how much and how soon is the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Its a funny thing

    People always look back at the past with a sense of it being better & easier ,

    There is a simply reason for that & its because most of our "struggles" & "hard times" are in our heads , As in we constantly worry about this that the other , things that never actually end up happen as we keep them from the door, ,

    So when we look back we forget our thoughts in them moments but we remember the things that actual happened & the fun things that occurred , Your memories are 90% events that happened not thoughts you had ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I don't agree that people who own their own home don't really care. That's just you guessing and its a massive generalisation. A lot of people who own houses are older and have kids and grandkids themselves who cannot get houses, who are living with them.

    Many of these people would like to downsize but there is nowhere small to buy. In fact smaller houses are hugely sought after for people who are getting older and want to sell their bigger house to a family!

    I have kids and grandkids and sold my 3 bed semi in East Meath last year. I've been waiting a full year to get a house somewhere in the West Limerick, Kerry area that I moved to! Trying to buy a small house is next to impossible unless its a derelict cottage that needs grants and renovations. I am finally Sale Agreed on another 3 bed semi but its in need of repair.


    The house market is just appalling, for everyone. My kids are struggling big time and having returned here a few years ago from London and Canada are now thinking of emigrating again! We are SO aware of it, everyone is, I hope I never have to go through this experience again and pray my Sale Agreed goes through soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,608 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭foxsake


    while you are right on the income tax the percentage of income - but what of the other taxes introduced in the meantime - it took to buy big ticket items like a house was much less - nowadays there appears to be no housing available unless you are double income and pretty rich.

    They have ruined our currency and wages have not kept pace - the only thing preventing Ireland and the west being a 3rd world shithole is the advancement in technology has made our lives easier.

    I grew up in the 1990 was 18 in 1996 and it was more fun and easy going. Ive a son who is 21 now and his life is good some stuff is better than mine was but often time it's not . the things suggested in the OP are valid.

    I think there are more opportunities now for young people but I think previous life goals like family , house etc.. aren't as attainable and as you get older these things matter. Can you rent forever ? sure but why be at the mercy of a vulture fund? In my area at present there are some evictions of people who have rented for over a decade in the same house - built a life here but landlord (as is his right) says no. That's hard but a reality for a ever increasing segment of our population.

    I think also that society was way cooler back then - I'd say social media is to blame but we didn't have that many perpetually offended people or back then payroll made sure you were paid now there is a HR system to control (in some cases) your entire existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    The elephant in the room is the difference between 1990 and now is that women have entered the workforce en masse, meaning two pay cheques chasing a similar number of homes, pushing up the house price. Then the cost of child care on top of that which wasn't an issue in 1990.

    You could argue its better that smart women (lets say the top 20% of women by IQ) should move into the work force otherwise their talents are wasted. But the middle 60% of women doing admin or retail work that they hate, could make a strong case that society and the women themselves are worse off than if they had stayed at home.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,067 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How do you know they hate their work? Why can't the men stay at home instead?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,618 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What I find weird was back in the 80s and 90s emigration was very common. Half your class would emigrate. It only started to change in late 90s and 2000s.

    Whereas now no one wants to emigrate. People think that the only option is staying in Ireland. Why is that the only option?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,886 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Then in 2001 something happened at the World Shìte Centre and nothing has been the same since.


    They were called the World Trade Center you obnoxious prik.


    Will we ever see a return


    No


    Maybe you had it that good but not everyone had.

    I finished school in the late 90s and it was only in the mid to late 90s that things got good for my parents.

    Before then times were hard.

    I had to work a horrible job that I hated for over a decade but hey the money was good and I bought my house.


    Times are good for many people in the country now maybe not everyone but certainly a lot. I do not think as you say that we will ever see anything like the World Cup Euphoria of 1990 ever again.


    Maybe when Humans get to Mars there will be a huge celebration for the whole World but otherwise I do not see it ever as good again.

    .

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭quokula


    Because Ireland is objectively one of the best countries in the world to live in in terms of quality of life and opportunities. That's why vastly more people want to come here from abroad than want to leave. This was not the case in the 80s or early part of the 90s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I might have agreed with you a few years ago, but seeing our adult children trying to get started out now in their own lives - not anymore. Combine that with the changes obvious to our demographics when you walk down the street of any city or town.

    Nope this country is heading towards a slippery slope. I fully expect to see a much greater division between the haves and have nots. And increasing division with violence on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    We will always glorify the old days when we were young and carefree. We will always think that times were better when we were better looking, free, experiencing growing up, not worrying about the future etc. We look at the changing world the same way our parents did when we were the new age little bollixes engrossed in our SEGAs and Nintendos.

    I mean, you talk about there being no "extreme PC culture" back in the day which, with all respect, is nonsense. Political correctness was just different back then — it was correct to follow Church teachings, it was correct that gay marriage was not legal, it was correct that stigma should be attached to those experiencing unplanned pregnancies. My girlfriend, only 31, remembers her mother being refused communion after divorcing the husband — at a time when they were the first married couple for miles around to get divorced. The 80s and 90s were absolutely rife with political correctness — but simply the kind that screamed in horror at the thoughts of a son being gay or, even worse, openly gay.

    My advice to you is to take a step back and learn to appreciate what a gift it is to live in a tolerant, comfortable, stable, safe country like Ireland — instead of rose tinting the past.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    This is not true anymore, Numbeo has Ireland at about 30 in the world and 20 in Europe, not great, even behind the UK. The welfare state would be a bigger reason as to why people would come and not leave I'd say.



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