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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Even before Ukraine I had somewhat cooled on O'Toole: something of the stereotypical middle-class waffler who offered intellectual autopsies over any kind of solutions or forward thinking. It was intersting how he kept popping up in British circles as an Irish perspective on Brexit and from what I recall of that, he represented the Irish position well enough (though it'd take some brain damage for any Irish person to come out supporting Brexit).

    I'm not surprised he's taking an approach that thumbs its nose at Ukraine's autonomy; not because I think he's a tankie, or getting some under-the-table rubles, but his air is that of someone whose intellectual altitude has probably stripped him of perspective. Easy to just wave away portions of another country in some jolly little Think Piece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    First confirmed loss of a Challenger tank. I think there's only been 6 Leopards confirmed destroyed so far. That's 7 in total, with up to 31 Abrams arriving this month, it's pretty sustainable. No doubt the 31 Abrams is just the start. Pretty much everything else the US has announced has been supplied on a continuous basis (Bradleys, Strykers etc...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ah but good old military expert Fintan reads Encyclopedia Britannica on a regular basis.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭Rawr


    +1

    When I see these newly minted Military Juntas in the The Sahel lean heavily onto a pro-Russia vibe, I can't help but compare this in my mind to a new passenger bording the Titantic right after all the lifeboats have already left, and the bridge is underwater. It's the kind of relationship that will barely benefit the Russians, and most certainly won't benefit them.

    Beyond these, who are Russia's friends?

    South Africa: Steadily becoming a failed state, with de-facto single-party rule by the ANC. Beyond the fiction that is BRICS, the South Africans offer little to Russians beyond giving Putin's lads a rat-run to escape to when things evently go to hell. South Africa herself is just making it increasingly harder to get out of the hole they are in, especially if they expect Russia to help there.

    North Korea: Experts at keeping WWII-era Soviet tech running, these guys are at least a technical asset, but are also the worlds most isolated pariah state with a slow-burning famine currently underway. North Korea are highly dependant on Russia for their survival, but Russia get relativly very little out of this.

    Iran: Mostly useful for cheap drones. Iran themselves are pretty isolated and their support for Russia opens no more doors than even North Korea.

    Syria: Reeling from civil wars, Isis occupations and also side-lined for being a dicatorship, Syria is mostly useful as somewhere to place a naval base. They have little else to offer Moscow apart from potental cannon fodder as was rumored at one stage last year.

    Armenia: The Nagorno Karabach confict became a sort of rehersal of Soviet tech vs. NATO tech fighting we're now seeing in Ukraine. Azerbijan backed by Turkey and their tech, went up against Armenia and their Soviet surplus. After that war Russia remained as a "Peace-keeping" force on behalf of the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabach but ths is very much related to how much control Russia still has in this old Soviet republic. The Russian's even own the public railways there. Despite this, Armenia has been trying to warm up to the EU & NATO, meaning the Russians will probably loose this ally, especially if they are unable to prevent an Azerii takeover of what is left of Nagorno-Karaback.

    India: Where to even start with these guys. For the world's largest democracy they are really crap at picking sides when a fellow democracy is under threat. India has a history of being friendly to the Soviets. Soviet gear was often used by them when they were at war with Pakistan or China, and the Soviet Union would often be a supporter in these conflicts. But beyond nostaliga, I don't understand what India think they are doing by sitting on the wall and being friendly to the Russians now. Russia got a market for their oil here, but India only pay bottom-dollar for it, and there are no pipelines worth mentioning between them. There's no advantage to Russia beyond a friendly face at conferences. For India, it just damages their standing in the world.

    China: By far their most useful ally, but also the most dangerous to them. China is their source for tech and weapons. Unfortunatly for Russia, this is Chinese-standard tech & weapons that will give them no edge at all with a NATO-armed Ukraine. By the end of this conflict China will likely have a signifigant foothold in much of Far-East Russia and if Moscow are very unluckly Beijing might even try to reclaim lost historcially Chinese land. China can and will let them fail, and then profit from the situation as best they can.

    Beyond the above, we have tin-pot dicatorships smattered around Africa and South America, while almost the entire democratic world oppose Russia and support Ukraine.

    Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not a Superpower. Russia is an increasingly desperate and failing state that is trying to stave off its own extinction while somehow clinging onto a small cohort of petty kingdoms who haven't a clue what they are doing, or have little choice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Fintan is middle class? I love that one... middle class seems to be anyone whose views I disagree with and who can string a sentence together. Pretty sure he has solid working class credentials.

    I'm no Fintan fan, but the irony of people on this thread, on this site, having a pop off him for being "an expert on any subject at will" and expressing opinions "without extensive study" is gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭reforger


    World Aquatics will allow Russian and Belarusian athletes to compete in their events under a neutral flag.

    World Aquatics will allow one Russian and one Belarusian athlete per event to compete at World Aquatics competitions as neutral athletes (with no relays).


    In order to be eligible, athletes will need to meet a strict set of criteria that includes showing no support for the war in Ukraine and having no contract with the Russian or Belarusian military.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    He sure presents as middle class, but it's just a moniker and if you're sure of his origins then let me know cos I'm happy to be corrected as to his background.

    And there's no irony at play either cos fundamentally, nobody's paying me to spout bullshít on a public platform. We're all just Wafflers, unlike O'Toole who gets a wage for opining on stuff he clearly (in this instance by what's reported) has no understanding of. Easy to write off a country's borders as a little bit of intellectual contrarianism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,148 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not a Superpower"

    This is it really. It's just a very extreme version of the old 1900s empires lashing out against a changed world. Like as if instead of doing Brexit the UK decided to invade The Netherlands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Maybe this mad dash to the coast that the moskovytes were expecting was all a bit of a game to suck in more of their forces to be chewed up by the Ukrainian army and make putin's forces less dangerous and save more of Ukraine from being pillaged by them. Progress towards the coast has been slow according to commentators but will the price of slowing the advance by Ukraine prove too much for putin's forces to sustain and once they are weakened to a critical level will they have anything left to stop Ukraine liberating the occupied territories? Good number of moskovyte artillery pieces destroyed yesterday again and without artillery will the moskovyte army be able to function?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Ha, there is an irony for sure. But I wouldn't expect anyone to take my opinions very seriously, I can't think of anything I'd really be an expert on either. I pay for an Irish Times subscription, where people like Fintan O'Toole give opinions. I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for my opinions, but I'd like the ones I do pay for to come from people with more solid expertise.


    I think bringing class up as a way of dismissing someone's opinion is unfair, for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Nobody can make sensible comments on the offensive unless they know how much resources Russia has left. There is great uncertainty about this, and Fintan O'T doesn't know either, so predictions are to be taken with a grain of salt. If someone does an inventory on Russian equipment I'll listen to their opinion.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    all we have is both sides issuing dickie information. If Ukraine is dipping its toes in the sea of Azov in a month then Ukraine was boxing clever and the russians knew they were going to be beat or were fooled and they have been lying about their general status, if not then it looks like what it is, which would raise a lot of questions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Also Ukraine has destroyed most of their radar so they can't see where Ukrainian fire is coming from.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Thought this was a good thread on the strategic picture:


    Basically they need to get the main road along the coast into range of their 155mm artillery, so about 30km from it. At that point it will force a Russian withdrawal from everywhere West of Melitopol.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,843 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Agreed, by October we'll know how the 2023 offensive went. If they don't advance any further, I think that it will be considered as a failure by many and the Russians will be relieved considering the stat of their forces over the past 6 months.

    If they are laying siege to Tokmak and have (artillery) fire control over the rail line that will be acceptable to most on the Ukrainian side.

    If they can get further south and the salient is wide enough that they can safely/reliably exercise fire control over the M-14 coastal road, that would be seen as a success.

    There probably isn't any point in pushing for the coast but not being able to push back the flanks far enough and to then get hammered by Russian artillery until next April trying to defend a thin strip of land.

    Many analysts think that the first line of defences that has already been breached at Robotyne was the most difficult and that the remaining two lines will be easier.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/everything-is-ahead-of-us-ukraine-breaks-russias-first-line-of-defence-in-stronghold

    But the Russians will be motivated to hold on knowing that the rains will save them. The Ukrainians will have to break through the lines somewhere or the Russians will be able to spend the winter creating new defensive lines further back and the Ukrainians will be confronted with the same again next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    According to Forbes the Ukranian military is working on a new missile with a range of 1,200 miles.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/04/ukraine-is-working-on-a-1200-mile-missile-that-could-strike-halfway-across-russia/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I don't agree with this both sides b******t with it being quite clear that putin's side blatantly lie about every detail of their invasion of Ukraine. I also think it is quite clever if Ukraine proves to have made huge levels of attrition on putin's army even if they do not quite get to dip their toe in the sea of Azov this year. Crippling putin's army needs to be their priority in protecting their people regardless of how long it takes them to remove putin's army from their country. If it takes a bit longer to liberate all of their territory but putin's army is left even more incapacitated and unable to invade again then it could be better for their long term future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I heard that too - strange to see Fintan lining himself up that way. Mick Wallace, Claire Daly and Fintan the Toole, all side line cheerleaders for Russian imperialism.

    Talk about pouring your reputation down the jacks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes the Ukrainian death toll, while not as high as the Russia toll is, its still horrendous. However, the Ukrainians have no choice. We have seen what the Russian do when they control an area, and on Russian TY, they openly speak about killing millions of Ukrainians, and completely destroying Ukraine, removing each and every trace of it. So better to die fighting and killing Russians, then end up in a mass grave with your hands tied behind your back, and shot in the head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    For a self regarding intellectual that is a very myopic article and unintentionally amusing because of that. Fintan is usually at his happiest pointing out the tunnel vision and lazy thinking of others. Having said that some of his articles are interesting to read. The one about Henry Kissinger a while back springs to mind. He also had a good tribute to the late Michael Viney back in June.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 anonymouscactus


    I'm an atheist, but I still find cartoons like this stupid and vile. He in no way supports what Putin doing. That cover is hysteria, lapped up by people so partisan that they have lost the capacity for reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    He let himself down. He let himself down badly. He's supposed to be the head of a Christian church with zero thoughts of his own mortality or wellbeing only to spread the Christian message.

    He plamased the Kremlin instead of going fire and brimstone condemning the state. He did it to save his own skin. Maybe worse he even sees Greatness in violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 anonymouscactus


    But the Christian message is to build bridges and to distinguish the sin from the sinner etc. He's right on message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Then why did in the last couple of years the Vatican declare what Russia did in Ukraine in the Holodomor as genocide?

    And now the Pope tells children in Russia of the Great Russia in history and to be proud of it?

    It's like the Vatican and the Pope are different entities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    According to the Guardian experts have confirmed that this is a British Challenger 2 tank in this video, thought to be the first verified loss of one in the war.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 anonymouscactus



    I have limnited energy for defending the Papacy, tbh, but my point is that to portray him atop a Z vehicle is just vile. As I see it, he tried to make an appeal and missed in his wording/approach. Big deal. Doesn't make him a Putin supporter as that cartoon implies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Already posted a few posts above. And further proof that you don't really read the thread. You just hop on here to post any bad news that you can. One of the easiest additions to my ignore list so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    He did it to save his own life in Putin's Russia.

    He would have been better not going to Russia if he was that afraid of saying anything out of place.

    The Eastern European countries took it as a serious slight against them in telling Russians aren't ye just Great.

    He messed up seriously. He had zero cop on. Eastern European countries who have been defending their existence against Russian aggression for the century and more take it very seriously. Hence picture saluting Russia.



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