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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Keep on crowing - meanwhile the energy industry is building that future whilst you cry about the madness of their efforts. That future will be built whether the Greens are in government or not. Energy strategy now equals Renewables regardless of government colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    The energy industry is building SFA. More MW are being delivered for the oil/gas Temporary Emergency Generation this year than by any other fuel type. Most of the proposed offshore wind in Europe seems to be packing it in. I've yet to hear that ER has subject any of the 4 successful ORESS projects to the same scrutiny as Barryroe, but when he does, that'll be the end of them too. 1-2GW of offshore wind by 2035 and that'll be it. The Greenlink and Celtic Interconnectors will have to make up the difference (assuming our neighbours don't laugh in our no Plan-B faces as we beg).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    While I would be happy to see the back of them as far as government is concerned, I didn`t see them as being totally wiped out electorally in the next general election, but from the redrawn constituency boundaries and that opinion poll it really is a very strong possibility.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Take a look into the licence requirements then

    You'll find they are almost a carbon copy of each i.e. the same requirements apply regardless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    What applied when Barryroe submitted it's application and what it was subjected to are two very different things. Changing goalposts mid stream to suit a particular minister's own beliefs is hardly testament to a fair and transparent process. Especially when said minister drags his heels for as long as possible on anything that benefits energy security but trips over himself to cheer everything that doesn't. But let's see what happens when ER has a gun to his head in this mess.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What applied when Barryroe submitted it's application and what it was subjected to are two very different things.

    Lol, nope. The requirements that Barryroe were unable to meet were even specifically called out by Barryroe in their application as it being something they couldn't meet. They've stated this themselves over the last few months since their fail.

    So no goalposts shifted.

    Gas how Barryroe supporters keep making up stuff as some sort of persecution complex to explain why they couldn't meet something that was there in black and white



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Lol nope? Wow,great argument. It's like debating with a 10 year old. You either spam with hundreds of contradicting links or "Lol, nope". It's no wonder you aren't taken seriously.

    You chose what you want to believe but any competent minister would have been looking after energy security first and foremost. Not creating unnecessary obstacles to same. Let's see what happens with offshore. I'm going to bet that less than 50% materialises before 2030 without additional government injections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The ECT will be looking to ensure no goalposts were shifted as well as when those goalposts ere erected.

    If Ryan hasn`t put any of the other applications through all the hoops he put Barryroe through, then it`s bye bye Eamo, hello tax payers having to fork out hundreds of millions.

    But then you know that. It`s why you are caught in one of your loops on Barryroe.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't take my word for it, take a look at Barryroe press releases where they cried about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Lol, nope. The requirements that Barryroe were unable to meet...

    There were no requirements that Barryroe were unable to meet. The things you are referring to were guidelines, with clear alternative criteria under which an application could be considered. Ryan chose to evaluate the license under guidelines that no small explorer could ever meet, and which didn't exist when Barryroe were first granted a standard exploration license. Let me repeat that for you since you don't seem to be able to get it: Barryroe did not fail to meet any requirements. They had already raised the money needed to carry out the work program.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭mode1990


    Latest red c poll puts them on under 2% , that thankfully means a wipeout at the next general election, good riddance !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Prime example of what faith is. Struggle and obey and reward may come some time in the future. Or not. Catholics perfected it deferring reward to the time after you die. Greens may not be far from it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    And it is of course useless to argue with a true believer so i no longer do. I have put them on ignore ( ive just added a new one btw). That is the sensible approach. They seem to have absolute faith that their Green Utopia will come to pass. If they start to let in even the tiniest sliver of doubt about the reality of energy their house of cards will fall apart. Would you, like Jehova witnesses welcome them into your house to discuss a reasonable future for the community? Of course not. They have the Truth on their side..



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The feeling is entirely mutual. I watch the future been built and invented and you cry about the past been lost.

    The future always wins out.

    It took about a hundred years to build the present that you so cherish from a dead start. We have many advantages in building the new future energy grid so it's very doubtful it will take another century to get to where we need to be.

    People such as yourself were saying exactly the same rubbish about the future of electricity and gasoline. There is nothing technically impossible about achieving the renewables strategy - just the will to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭xl500


    Just pointing out how out of touch farmers are if they think they would be better off milking the social welfare system than milking cows

    Anyone who says that and it was said here has absolutely no idea what it's like to live on social welfare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭creedp


    I grew up om a samll unprofitable family farm and only for the grant would not have got to college. However, I always remember the popular cool dairy farmer's son who drove a 206 GTI 1.9 bought new for college who on more than one occasion boasted that he qualified for the third level grant. Bottom line, using financial advisors, even successful wealthy farmers have poor financial years, usually coincidentially when there is a means assessed grant or incentive to be soaked up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    There's a few things technically impossible to be overcome. The first law of thermodynamics being one. You cannot magically conjure infinite energy out of thin air without impacting elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Friends of the Earth (pack of jokers in my view) have released a score card on how the government and various sectors did in 2022 on the climate issue. Probably no harm that someone does this, but it's a woeful pity they let their biases dictate overall marks.

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    As you can see, no one doing great. But agriculture the worst? Yet agriculture is one of the only areas with a plan, and a plan that is being acted on. And they reduced emissions in 2022. How can agriculture be marked lower than transport who upped emissions by 6% in the same year? Would it be bias? Would it be incompetence? Or a mixture?

    When ya see bullshit like this, the whole report can be binned and ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Putting your finger on it does not alter their stance. They live on hopium. 'Technical difficulties' will be overcome as long as we have enough faith in the project hence the religious aspect. But the required faith needs a fundament. Using the tried and trusted pathway of ever efficient and cost effective energy production and system building in the past does not apply to solar and wind. Not now NOR in the future. The Greens simply won't accept it is in reality a retrograde step. They consider themselves progressives. Their faith lies in the believe they are good people taking the moral highground. But that makes them morally corrupt to bad practices and deaf, dumb and blind to realistic counter factuals and arguments. Ie, they need Armageddon. Again, you can't argue w a fanatical cult as cult members never accept that they are. Well, that cult has succesfully infiltrated the mainstream. Too bad for them there is no redemption and deliverance from evil. Only destruction on their path totally outdoing the possible good their way of thinking might deliver. Plus, it will in fact delay any real transition. That is the sad truth..



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yet agriculture is one of the only areas with a plan

    All sectors of the economy have a plan for emissions reduction, well all except LULUCF which is due later this year or early next. The report, however, is not looking at emissions. Its an assessment of actions against PfG commitments, i.e. if they said they would do X, Y & Z, the report assess progress on those commitments

    That being said, the rating for agri is based on this

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    The report was also put together by 3 academics, not FIE

    Its a good indicator and allows for the public to see, at a glance, how things are going in relation to PfG commitments

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Couple of scientists (not climate scientists BTW) are saying what some on here are saying - the models are over estimating and many datasets are excluded as it doesn't fit with the narrative

    I'd take this though with a huge grain of salt, primarily because of this line

    there is no risk that fossil fuels and carbon dioxide will cause catastrophic warming and extreme weather.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    One of the scientists, Happer, sounds like a proper nut job

    In 2017, when Happer was reportedly under consideration to be Trump’s science advisor, he sent a letter to a reader arguing that the “demonization of CO2” “really differs little from the Nazi persecution of the Jews, the Soviet extermination of class enemies or ISIL slaughter of infidels”.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh ffs lol, Harper is a founder of the climate change denial "think tank" that argues more co2 is needed (wtf lmao)

    The less said about Lindzen the better lol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Seems that NIMBYism has started to infiltrate solar installations now

    Might be behind a paywall. Gist is that this was given permission (and it's near the airport which I would have thought wouldn't be allowed myself) and soomeone from Dublin is taking it to ABP. From the article:

    However, the decision to grant permission was appealed by a third-party objector, Sean McIvor, Co Dublin, who argued that despite him being fully supportive of renewable energy, he believed that the development was a “step too far”, considering that there are four other solar developments in his location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Who's magically generating energy from thin air?

    Have you ever considered the vast amount of energy stored in the atmosphere, oceans, and land? A single hurricane holds 200 times the energy produced by all human sources worldwide. And what's interesting is that hurricanes don't deplete this energy; they merely redistribute a significant portion of it.

    Consider this: Every hour, our planet receives 10,000 times more solar energy than the total electricity we generate from all sources throughout an entire year.

    It's not necessary to blanket the entire world with solar panels – that would be impractical and unattainable. So, how much land would we need to cover? Well, approximately 1/10,000 of the Earth's surface area is around 51,010 square kilometres, including oceans.

    Around 5% of the land in the US is dedicated to medium to high-density urban spaces, and of that, 10 to 30% comprises roads and parking lots, mostly parking areas.

    By taking the lower estimate, this results in approximately 49,000 square kilometres of parking spaces in the US alone. If we were to cover all these parking spaces with solar panels, assuming an average 10% capacity factor, we could generate the same amount of energy that all the world's electricity generators produce in a full year within just about 11 hours.

    Remarkably, this potential energy source lies right above the vacant spots in every American parking area. You might think it's unrealistic to cover these spaces with solar panels. Yet, remember that we've already paved them with concrete and asphalt...

    But that's not all – there's the other 90% of urban land. Many of these spaces are buildings with roofs. In the US, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) has estimated a solar potential of 1.1 terawatts across domestic, industrial, and commercial buildings.

    Factor in the 500 terawatts of global onshore wind capacity, along with offshore wind potential that's multiple times greater, plus hydro and geothermal sources. This energy is more than sufficient without challenging the laws of thermodynamics or even approaching the upper limits of available renewable energy. Furthermore, consider the role of nuclear power, energy efficiency measures, heat pumps, and repurposing waste heat from industrial activities for municipal water heating....

    The energy is there, the technology is there, there is no need for us to continue to burn fuel for energy into the 21st century. We just need to increase the speed at which we transition away from fossil fuels

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I realise that when needs must people attempt to take solace from anywhere they can get it, but from the weekend political poll report card there was nothing near a C+. for the greens especially. FG were the only party to improve their rating. Why that is I have no idea. It`s not as if they have done anything much since the last public report card to justify it, but then Varadkar did have a problem with the rewetting proposals and he pointed out the major hole in the railways report so who knows.

    On the mention of tillage by the three wise men, how much of world CO2 emissions are due to tillage ? I seem to recall a figure of 15% - 20%. I do not know what they hope to achieve by organic farming either. It would raise the cost of food, and as we have seen already, promoting it as some sort of wide scale save the planet idea would be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Tillage is more a nitrate thing than CO2, though allowing air into the soil via tillage work reduces organic matter content over time. Min-till is one way to combat it and always ensuring there's cover on the ground and not leaving it bare helps. It's one of the reasons this sort of thing is being promoted with cover crops, straw incorporation measures, etc



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The report from the most recent National Youth Assembly on Climate has just been released

    The key recommendations from the assembly

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    I'm very impressed by the results of this latest assembly. These young folks give me hope for the future



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've said it many, many times, that the sooner Ireland moves away from fossil fuels in our power generation, the better. Good to see I'm not the only one who comes to this (obvious) conclusion

    Through the European energy market, Ireland is committed to a competitive retail electricity market which, until recently, has yielded an extended period of sustained low electricity prices to the benefit of society and the economy.

    The root cause of the more recent volatility is Ireland’s dependence on fossil fuel for electricity generation (48 per cent) and the exposure this has involved to increasingly unstable gas prices and geopolitical sources of fossil fuel. The sooner that Ireland can wean itself off carbon and be the master of its own energy destiny, the better it will be for customers.




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