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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,692 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Government's plans for multiple things, doesn't mean it's going to happen (it's basic disaster planning concept). Remember the Iodine tablets? That was part of a plan of a "just in case" not part of a plan of "it's about to happen!!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    You can believe anything you like but your believing something does not make it reality.

    Ukraine have been taking back territory since the Russian retreat from Kiev and are on the verge of a breakthrough in the south, Russian morale is in the gutter, the wealthiest nations on the planet are supplying the AFU, while the Russian economy slowly sinks into the Black Sea as they beg for materiel from North Korea, lol.

    Ukraine will win this, not by fighting over every inch of land, but by degrading the Russian war machine and that is exactly what they are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,162 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Has Russia managed to capture a single one of the tanks or other armour donated to Ukraine since earlier this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    As regards the tanks, there was footage of Russian infantry near a Leopard 2. Although if I recall correctly the Ukrainians pushed them back and recovered it. More broadly there were some captured M113 models including part of an Australian donation. Think a M113 was videoed with Z type markings. So at least Vietnam era albeit updated APCs falling into their mitts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It needs more than a pushback to the original borders, inc Crimea, but militarily and economically Russia needs to be destroyed, so that even if Putins replacement turns out to be even more of a tyrant, with much worse ambition's he won't have the wherewithal to wage war. He will be too busy trying to keep a restless population under control.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Kermit, its malfunction on a massive scale, and its caused by Vladimir Putin's using the Russian Federation as his ( and his cronies) personal bank. The whole lot under Putin is one massive FcK up! ( also in a massive scale )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m living in some hope that this war in itself will sweep the legs of Russia’s military capabilities. Their response to the Wagner Rising really seemed to suggest that almost every manned gun Russia has available is deployed to Ukraine. Beyond some token garrisons dotted around Russia, I feel that their forces to Ukraine is pretty much all they have.

    If that force is defeated, they’d be back to square one, and I feel practically demilitarised. They’d still need to be contained, but an intact NATO with Ukraine as part of it, would likely be well able for the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,162 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I find it interesting that @Kermit.de.frog is a geopolitical analyst when it comes to stating why they think Ukraine cannot push Russia out, but has then only read the forward of an Anthony Beevor when it comes to figuring out why Russia isn't advancing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    NATO membership would definitely drive Russia ( regardless of who is in charge ) to seek softer targets to pick on. Then let them stew in their own mess. Hopefully, without Putin, the Russian people themselves will rise up and sort out their own future, but that will take some doing, even without the threat of prison for anyone speaking out against Putin like tactics. The serf-like mindset is still prevalent amongst the majority of Russians. But maybe this time, the younger and better educated Russians will bring change, that is if they can be persuaded to return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Russia will surrender any day now and all territory will be returned to Ukraine .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I'm sort-of surprised the Georgians, Armenians and Chechens haven't "tested the water" when it comes to kicking RuZZia out. RuZZias military is big, but seriously inept and ffs prosecuting its war with museum pieces. Isn't Kadyrov an actor in the Ukraine theater, posting tiktoks or whatever? I'm surprised he still has his head, I think his son is pushing up the daisies now in Checen. You have many great insights into RuZZia, any thoughts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,162 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And it would have all been completely unnecessary for Russia. Russia had been doing more to advance Russian interests when it had the online trolls out, doing to western democracy what Fred Dibnah did to old chimneys. Just light a few fires at the base and watch the thing come crashing down. Russia deciding to try and really flex its muscle has had the complete opposite effect and undid much of what they had been doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ukrainians definitely making substantial progress down South,

    All this talk of a Russian offensive up North will achieve nothing since Sky News is reporting that Russia is withdrawing forces up North and East to reinforce down South.

    They wouldnt do this unless they thought Russian lines were about to collapse.

    If they loose the South, they will probably loose the war.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭yagan


    I'm not going to mention names as I've been warned before but checking into this thread one of the usual suspects is spreading sillage.

    Some stink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    A summary of events yesterday from a Youtuber who has blogged a lot about the war. Others will be able to state whether this fella's reliable enough, but seems like it to me:

    "The biggest news comes from the Tokmak direction. After the loss of Robotyne, Russian sources started circulating information about the Russian plans and claimed that the retreat from Robotyne was done to allow Ukrainians to get deep inside the pocket to close in in the future with as many Ukrainians as possible. Russians also conducted an information operation and released fake documents to claim that Ukrainians received an order to kill every Russian soldier that surrenders. The goal of this information operation is to scare Russian troops and force them to fight till the end instead of surrendering.The biggest news comes from the Tokmak direction. After the loss of Robotyne, Russian sources started circulating information about the Russian plans and claimed that the retreat from Robotyne was done to allow Ukrainians to get deep inside the pocket to close in in the future with as many Ukrainians as possible. Russians also conducted an information operation and released fake documents to claim that Ukrainians received an order to kill every Russian soldier that surrenders. The goal of this information operation is to scare Russian troops and force them to fight till the end instead of surrendering."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    To address views that "F16s will make no difference"




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Far too optimistic alas.

    It’s the hope that they’d just give up and return home, but the current regime have no choice (in their heads) than to dig in and keep fighting. Ukraine need to fight them to the point where Russia might have to engage in “good will gestures” and withdraw, until eventually they “good will” themselves over the 1991 border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭yagan


    Putin could withdraw completely and still claim victory and who in Russia could openly contradict him?

    If Russian society never evolved beyond surfdom then the belief in a strongman/tsar leader goes unchanged.

    If the tsar says mission accomplished, Ukraine is denazified then that's that. We'll just have to invest in really strong and reactive border defences, no more buffer zones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'd be careful, there's many different versions of AMRAAMS, the version with those distances can't be currently fired from the version of F16's Ukraine will be getting (according to comments).

    Similar to the IRIS missile. Ukraine uses them, but there's 3 versions, Ukraine only received the short and medium range missiles but not the long range ones.

    As the US and Canada already announced them, I'd suspect they are going to be ground launched from NASAMS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed I heard the range of the models Ukr is getting is around 160km BUT that the radars on the F16's won't support that range, so it's expected to be around 100km. That said, the Ukrainians are very good at maximising and even manipulating systems to get more out of them (case in point, the Patriot batteries which they reconfigured).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You get it. As numerous posters have pointed out had Darkman/ Kermit been around during the Normandy landings he'd probably have said the allies were bogged down and should just negotiate with The Germans. What Ukraine has achieved thus far without air support is incredible. I fully believe the Russians didn't think the Ukranians would breakthrough the first line of defense. Russia is going to lose this war because every day their ability to wage war is being depleted as Ukraine gets more and more advanced weaponry, it's just a matter of when Putin accepts defeat. Putin was heralded as a master strategist up to a few years ago, but i think history will judge him in a far worst light than Gorbachev for this monumental geo political blunder that has made Russia a crippled and pariah state for years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well funny you mention the tsar because the Russian people did take him down and the tipping point was a war. Afghanistan laid bare hidden cracks in the USSR.

    Yes the general population will probably have to swallow the lie but all dictators are kept in power by an inner circle and disasters like this can be the moment when they suddenly get lax about the bosses security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I didn't hear what they done with the Patriot batteries, what did they do?

    Good video about what the F16's can and can't do for Ukraine. Very interesting with the HARM missiles that Ukraine already use. Because it's adapted to fire from their migs, it can only use 1 mode. When fired from an F16, it can use all 3 modes. Ukraine need to know the target location of the SAM site, when they get their F16's, they can just patrol and when the HARM missile detects a random SAM site, the pilot can then fire the missile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They tinkered with existing parameters to (better) track the HS missiles Russia was firing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Ukraine has made some significant progress in recent weeks, not as much as might have been hoped or predicted by some but certainly more than it appeared a month ago. There's been a giddiness about the progress from some people here over the last week which is quite similar to this time last year, and we're back to predictions of Crimea soon being retaken, etc. I suspect this is over optimism. However it's certainly not the total stalemate it appeared a month ago and there is a sign that things are shifting significantly. I'd say let's see where things are in November when winter is setting in:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    When you don't know how to dispose of tyres and Molloy Metals only takes scrap cars minus the tyres. What do you do?

    You put them on the wings of your TU - 95 strategic bomber and hope when it's hit by a drone it takes the tyres with it in one big inferno.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They already have, but Putin won each time. Challenging Putin one by one they were easier to subdue. That's not to say that they didn't give Putin headaches, because they did, many times, especially Chechnya. To this day, there's an anti-Kadyrov movement in Chechnya. He has never been forgiven for changing sides turning from an anti-Russian to pro Russian stance. When they killed his father Akhmad ( they placed a bomb under a stand that was being built for him for him to review the Victory Day parade.) All of Chechnya rejoiced. Ramzan Kadyrov has 6 sons ( 2 adopted) and 6 daughter's and 3 wives. And to the best of my knowledge, they are all alive and well. And only for the support Putin gave Kadyrov, he'd be long gone too. As soon as Putin goes, I'd say that there will be big changes in the Federation. In each case, Putin managed to install a pro Putin government. Even today, this is very evident in Georgia, where there has resurfaced a protest movement to remove the pro Putin Prime Minister, who is seen to lean more towards Putin than European which the majority of Georgians favor. (shades of Maiden protests in 2014) For Armenia, I'm not too sure as I haven't ever been directly involved there, but I presume that its standard Putin operation, either start a separatist movement if there isn't one, or aggravate an existing one. Ensuring that the outcome is favorable to Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Been far too long since we've seen the TB2's in action. One has to wonder was the recently destroyed S400 preventing them getting close to the Frontline around Kherson.



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