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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You responded to my comment regarding the future of renewables. It's you who are on the wrong page here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,749 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I thought it was illegal to talk about nuclear energy? Why is it included if we aren't allowed to have any?

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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We also don't use crude for power generation afaik so who knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Yeah I know and fuckin said we're on different pages. Christ ya just move on or hit the thanks button to acknowledge instead of acting a knob

    Plus I'm still right on my page. Solar is more expensive now than 2 years ago for domestic roof top installations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Thing is, the only retro fits I see going on around here are to social houses. Don't see any private houses getting done unless its part of a larger renovation project.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its actually a good pr trick, calling industrial generation sites 'farms' makes them sound more green and less intrusive. Solar farms, wind farms, smell of roses and have no negative visual impacts.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let's just circle back to the point I was making, which was that solar is so cheap and getting cheaper that it will swamp out more expensive fossil fuel forms of generation. The green energy revolution is only just getting going and solar PV will turn out to be the backbone of a European wide push to green energy. This is why the fact that it is so cheap and getting cheaper is significant.

    Those who imagine that fossil fuels will play a significant part in the energy future are deluded, fossil fuel will be relegated to the very few occasions when renewables fail to deliver and we already see countries with near100% renewables on favourable days. This will become the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I'll have whatever you're having, seems to be good stuff.

    There's so much wrong here but let's get the large elephant in the room out of the way first. Those very rare occasions you mention are infact the majority of the time.

    Let's start with Solar in this lovely northern European country. It's prettyuch useless from September to March and has a capacity factor of about 12%. Meaning we need to be ready to supplement it the remaining 88% of the time.

    Then we have wind, which has a (and let's be generous here) 35% capacity factor for onshore and maybe 45% for offshore. Again, we have to supplement it at best 55% of the year.

    Ah, and before you say long term storage, let's look at those numbers. Green H2 requires about 4MW of energy to create 1MW of H2. So a 4:1 round trip before you even use it to generate a single watt. Even the best CCGTs are approx 45/46% before derating for H2, so we are in the realms of absolutely brutal energy efficiency and need to pay for the thermal plants anyway as renewables haven't cracked the capacity factor problem yet.

    That's before we even look at how God awful solar and wind when it comes to land efficiency. Solar is around 2.5/3 acres per MW and wind takes up vast tracks of land or sea to avoid spillover from the blades.

    My prediction is that by 2030 we'll have made good progress in reducing emissions but there'll be a sea change in public opinion as energy bills will continue to climb because of the vast infrastructure upgrades required to make any of this NetZero insanity anywhere near achievable.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,403 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ....there probably is some private dwellings being done, but it makes sense to plough on with social houses, we have to get this done, asap, id say a lot of home owners simply cant afford these works, many probably never will be able to....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,749 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    That's before you factor in technical issues such as lower inertia to mitigate frequency excursions, ramping uncertainty, lower short circuit levels for protection relays, etc.

    But the cost is the real elephant in the room. If all this supposed offshore materialises (most probably won't given recent signals from the sector), we'll be paying for oversupply that's spilled along with the energy generated on the windy days, then paying huge capacity premiums for thermal backups for those calm winter days. Not exactly bang for buck.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Great scheme if you are loaded and can afford it. Most normal people don't have 50k sitting around. As usual it's the people who most need the work done that would save them money on ridiculous heating bills that won't be able to afford this. Not that the Green's give a hoot about those people sure once the D4 latte drinkers can do it then happy days.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    You'd do well to design a more inefficient and unreliable system. If it wasn't all cloaked in the NetZero zealotry, you'd genuinely laugh at it because it's so bad.

    The bill for all this insanity is just beginning to be felt and we haven't even got past the starters on the menu. Wait till the real bill for the main meal comes along and a lot of people in Europe are going to realise what a pup they've been sold.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    We'll be hanging unto our 2008 1.6 diesel for a few years yet. Easily be getting another 10 years from it as i look after her like a baby. Also i know i am helping the planet more than these virtue signallers who buy a brand new EV worth 70k euro and the serious amount of pollution that causes to the environment. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,745 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    And not before time.

    Makes you wonder why this wasn`t announce at the same time as the proposal on fosil fuels.

    You don`t think by any chance somebody in government asked Ryan what the fcuk he thought he was playing at when the were not do you 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,745 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You really are having the heebie jeebies over Lansdowne bring Ryan to the ECT on Barryroe, but more for the sake of it making Ryan`s position as untenable for ever again serving as a government minister should it find for Lansdowne, rather than the massive cost to the taxpayer.

    Even if Ireland decided to pull out of the ECT today it would not save his bacon as 10 years notice is required before doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This is the thing, with cost of living and reductions in disposable income, the people who could afford to retro fit their houses have done so, same with ev's. The people who could justify it have bought them, its going to take longer to get others to follow, blood from a stone springs to mind. Yes some will upgrade but many simply can't afford to buy a new ev, and the secondhand market is a risky move imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭crisco10


    I think you need to remember about how capacity factor is calculated. It isn’t 12% “of the time”. It’s 12% of the theoretical max output over a period of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Sure, it's usually determined over the course of a year.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can I sell you shares in British coal ?

    Got some going dirt cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Whenever you have a conversation/debate with a true Green Agenda believer you enter the realm of religion with dogma and subsequential blindness. Plus, the average person will just believe what is in the news. When you focus on equations/variables etc it takes too much energy to contemplate so most wont. It used to and still does amaze me how ignorant people are, or at least naive because the truth is out there and easy to find. But, green invested/infested institutions will just ramp up the propaganda warning people NOT to investigate under the banners mis-des and malinformation using the usual tactics of calling 'right wing' 'fake news' etc. Ministry of Truth kinda thing..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭xl500


    Last week Sunday paper Burke the killer doubles farm profits


    This week

    Last year milk farmers in Co Cork alone received 1.2bn in revenues


    And people here telling me they would be better off milking the social welfare than milking cows 🤣🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, bang for your buck would be a reliable, efficient and affordable electricity base load. That won't be solar or wind. The Greens have it the wrong way round. Put liquid (green or otherwise) nitrogen (or even hydrogen for that matter) in the mix and it still won't work. Start w natural (or liquified) gas and oil and add nuclear, then add wind and solar on top and see how everything actually functions in terms of variables including grid systems. Over time, and let technology develop. But no, they say we all HAVE to transit to an unreliable, inefficient and expensive system in the shortest period of time. Pity for them that the cracks have appeared already. If you think the whole mica thing was bad you just have another (more structural-system based) thing coming. However, there are enough 3 monkees (some with deep pockets) around to keep it going for a while longer..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    green Policies not only destroying this country, but also destroying the party, going by these poll results:

    Eamon surely going to get a heave ho soon, but the horse has already bolted I’d say😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,749 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    How's your convincing of your family to become PAYE workers going?

    Are you ever going to tell us how that helps the environment? Or improves anything in society?

    You've been very quiet all week, I wonder if this article had anything to do with it:

    https://archive.ph/7QDbQ

    It seems to contradict everything you've been saying. More curiously, it also seems to have facts and figures to support it's argument rather than random regional rags from New Zealand or blogs from New York student magazines that you love linking to. That's before we get into the selective picking on a particular farmers family enterprise, honing in on just 2 years of profits (with no actual values) but ignoring 5 years of losses averaging 40k.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    You Believe whatever fantasy you read in the media all you want.but of coarse the green lunatic devotees won’t let the truth get in the way.last yr was a complete anomaly in terms of price.I’m milking 25 yr and the average price is early to mid 30’s compared to last yrs 65 cents.

    at least according to poll after poll the greens will be extinct long before farming.can’t come quick enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Your graph highlights the absolute madness of unreliable power generation. Without hydrocarbons the grid collapses.


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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    🤦‍♂️

    At some point in the future some folks will gain an understanding that today (approx 40% renewables ) does not equal the the 2050 grid (100% renewables + storage)

    It'll be an epiphany

    Until then 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,749 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    At some point, certain people might gain an understanding that pipedreams of 2050 might not materialise if the economics don't stack up. Blind faith in the green church isn't going to magically provide a secure, reliable and affordable power system. It took 20 years to go from 3% to 40%, what makes you think we can go another 60% in 26.25 years? What makes you think we can afford it?Especially when everyone else is competing for the same resources?

    There's your epiphany.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    The greens like their ‘glorious’ leader live in cookoo land.

    Anyhow going on the poll in today’s Independent- next election greens are history, which is fantastic news.



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