Shooting of Ta'Kiya Young

hawley · 01-09-2023 10:38PM #1

Another senseless shooting that led to a young black woman being killed, along with her unborn child. Two surviving children left without a mother. Going by the bodycam footage, she looks terrified. Nobody deserves to lose their life over such a trivial incident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna102982

osarusan · 01-09-2023 10:40PM

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CrazyEric · 01-09-2023 10:51PM

It is usually someone who disobeys a legitimate Law enforcement request, Stay in the Vehicle, Show me your hands, Stop etc. George Floyd was an exception.

I was stopped one time while driving in the US. Followed a friends advice. Before the officer approached from behind my left shoulder I rolled down the window and I put my hands on top of the steering wheel, fingers spread. This helps the officer relax because he /she now knows I don't have a gun pointed through the door at him. It is a very simple thing to do, anything to deescalate the situation. When he asked for my license I said " it is in my wallet in my back right pocket, may I reach back for it?" It can be that simple.

Windows up, scream at the officer and attempt to drive across them usually has bad results.

Gatling · 01-09-2023 10:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058329#Comment_121058329

This isn't a mass shooting,

It's a single shooting of an unarmed pregnant woman and her unborn child by white cops

CrazyEric · 01-09-2023 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058380#Comment_121058380

What has the color of the cops got to do with it?? That is Racism.

kirk. · 01-09-2023 11:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058406#Comment_121058406

It's a material fact

suvigirl · 01-09-2023 11:12PM

Shooting a shoplifter seems over the top, shooting someone who drives a car at a police officer seems reasonable.

suvigirl · 01-09-2023 11:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058424#Comment_121058424

Not an important part of the story

ancapailldorcha · 01-09-2023 11:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058406#Comment_121058406

No, the racism is on the part of the American police when they regularly gun down black people like this.

suvigirl · 01-09-2023 11:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058380#Comment_121058380

Or, it's the shooting of a suspect that drove their car at police.

Colour of anyone's skin is not important

Gatling · 01-09-2023 11:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058459#Comment_121058459

What part of shooting an unarmed pregnant woman is anywhere reasonable for crying out loud

suvigirl · 01-09-2023 11:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058468#Comment_121058468

I never said shooting an unarmed pregnant woman was reasonable.

I said shooting someone who is driving a car towards a police officer seems reasonable.

A car is a deadly weapon

Gatling · 01-09-2023 11:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058547#Comment_121058547

So is a cop with a 9mm pistol.

There was zero justification for shooting of this pregnant woman.

suvigirl · 01-09-2023 11:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058558#Comment_121058558

Really?

So if your standing in front of a car, and someone drives it straight towards you, you don't think that it is justified to stop the threat?

This would happen in Ireland if someone drive a car at an armed police officer. They stopped the threat.

perhaps she could have got out of the vehicle and spoke with police officers? Pretty sure it could have been avoided. Drive a car at an armed police officer, expect to be stopped.

I'm not saying it isn't a terrible incident, it really is, but it could have been avoided very easily

kirk. · 01-09-2023 11:52PM

Presumably the cop didn't follow procedure by standing in front of the car in this situation

Gatling · 01-09-2023 11:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058576#Comment_121058576

Yeah really,

The cop put himself in the situation to shoot,he was in zero danger,he went looking for a kill and he got two .

suvigirl · 02-09-2023 12:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058590#Comment_121058590

I know you're all about cops in America being racist etc etc but sometimes it's nothing to do with that. Sometimes it is.

In a split second decision, when someone is driving a lethal weapon at you, you do what you can to stop the threat. That's policing.

The moral is, when police are questioning you, don't drive a car at them.

CrazyEric · 02-09-2023 12:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058590#Comment_121058590

2 Simple questions.

If she obeyed the legal request by the other officer to open the door/window would the outcome have been different?

If she didn't illegally drive her vehicle at an armed police officer carrying out his duty would the outcome have been different?

UsBus · 02-09-2023 12:36AM

All of these incidents have an escalation leading to a reaction. Cop asked her to stop and get out of the car. She decides no, I'll drive at them to take off. The cause is evident for all to see in most of these incidents. The narrative is always framed around the heavy handed cops going over the top, most interactions could be easily diffused by following direction.

mcmoustache · 02-09-2023 12:37AM

Just curious about the procedure here. Does shooting a driver make them hit the brakes and stop the vehicle? If true, I didn't know this.

ceadaoin. · 02-09-2023 01:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058462#Comment_121058462

They regularly gun down white and Hispanic people too. If a person of any race refuses to exit their vehicle and then drives a car at a police officer, they're more than likely getting shot.

kirk. · 02-09-2023 01:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058672#Comment_121058672

I assume there's a procedures in these situations that doesn't involve standing in front of car and driver

mcmoustache · 02-09-2023 01:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058712#Comment_121058712

Yeah. I was wondering about that. It seems a bit daft to put one's self in front of a moving vehicle. I've seen it in movies and it looks cool and all but it seems like a bonkers thing to do n real life. It has strong "He's coming right for us!" vibes.

Manic Moran · 02-09-2023 01:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058672#Comment_121058672

It usually gets them to ease off the accelerator at least.

I agree I don't know why he would have put himself in front, it seems like a silly thing to do. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. But that doesn't make the final interaction any different: why he's in front of the car is irrelevant to there being someone in front of her and her driving. Be it a cop or not.

De Santis was in the news yesterday for observing that anyone who considers looting in an area such as he was in was at risk of more than just the justice system. He observed that people in the area tended to be the sort who own guns and shoot, which they are perfectly allowed to do. Was reported in some circles as his irresponsibly encouraging shootings.

I don't know, don't break into places? Don't drive at cops? A lot of these "excessive responses" tend to be victim initiated

BorneTobyWilde · 02-09-2023 01:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058459#Comment_121058459

SHe wasn't driving towards him at 80mph, she actually turned the wheel, as to slowly move away from the standing cop, either way death was too far a step to take, cop had a choice, take a step out of the way, or kill her, he killed her, doesn't seem like a good choice, as car kept moving, and he then stepped out of the way/

02-09-2023 01:22AM

New York Times piece from 2021.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/06/us/police-traffic-stops-shooting.html

A Times investigation into a common defense for shooting motorists found that some officers had put themselves in danger. Others appeared to face no peril at all.

...

In about 250 of the 400 seemingly avoidable deaths, The Times found that police officers had fired into vehicles that they later claimed posed such a threat. Relative to the population, Black motorists were overrepresented among those killed.

Like Mr. Mifflin, the other drivers had been pursued for nonviolent offenses, many of them minor. A seatbelt ticket in Phenix City that would have cost $41. A cracked taillight in Georgia, a broken headlight in Colorado, an expired registration tag in Texas. Most motorists were killed while attempting to flee.

The country’s largest cities, from New York to Los Angeles, have barred officers from shooting at moving vehicles. The U.S. Justice Department has warned against the practice for decades, pressuring police departments to forbid it. Police academies don’t even train recruits how to fire at a car. The risk of injuring innocent people is considered too great; the idea of stopping a car with a bullet is viewed as wishful thinking.

BorneTobyWilde · 02-09-2023 01:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058668#Comment_121058668

If someone doesn't follow direction, then they drive off, it doesn't give you the right to murder them, you simply take their reg, or follow them in police car, pick them up later. What is the issue, happens daily here, people driving off from police, they simply follow them, not murder them.

mcmoustache · 02-09-2023 02:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058720#Comment_121058720

She absolutely should not have tried to accelerate when there was someone in front of the car but killing her seems excessive when getting out of the way would have removed the officer from danger without the loss of life. I would consider the acceleration to be attempted murder, given the person in front of the car, but there were other possible outcomes to this situation - eg getting out of the way. It seems a bit excessive to kill someone fleeing when we live in an age of licence plates and cameras.

Overheal · 02-09-2023 02:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058459#Comment_121058459

Does jumping in front of a moving car seem reasonable???

Overheal · 02-09-2023 02:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058582#Comment_121058582

Depending on the police department this is *how they are trained to “de”escalate*

ceadaoin. · 02-09-2023 04:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058801#Comment_121058801

He didnt jump in front of a moving car though? He was standing in front of a stationary car that was then rolled towards him. I mean he probably shouldn't have been standing in front of it but who thinks driving towards a police officer like that is in any way reasonable and not going to escalate things to your detriment?

Shooting of Ta'Kiya Young

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