Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

There is no criminal liability. Repeating it won't make it so.

You can see even from this thread alone why he wants it to go to a proper court instead of the kangaroo court that is the internet.

At this point if he resigns the rest of his life he is going to presumed guilty of all sorts of shenanigans. At least if he gets it into the court room proper evidence of his misdeeds and accurate reports of what he said she said etc have to come out.

How many times does it have to be said that the issue that Rubiales faces is not one of a criminal nature.

Sexual harrassment is not necessarily a crime, threatening to sue an accuser is not necessarily a crime, claiming that a woman consented when she said she did not is not necessarily a crime (if it is was, rape convictions would be at 100% rather than 1%), clutching your crotch in public is not necessarily a crime, etc.

If this gets as far as a courtroom, Rubiales is doomed, but he is doomed regardless because his actions are those of a clownish, misogynistic, bullying buffoon.

Would be pretty sure there is an agreement in place between United and Greenwoods over the wording of Uniteds statement designed to enable a path to employment at a future club.

Well yeah, they said it in their statement that will actively help him find a new club and keep supporting his family.

So far no one has came in with a concrete offer.

Again, United don't make "criminal determinations".

That's a courts remit.

United as a employer had to determine if he committed gross misconduct. Or whatever the equivalent wording would be contained in his contract.

They determined he didn't.

How do you suppose they determine that unless they investigate it?

Or do you think there should have been no club enquiry and he should just been reinstated immediately after the CPS dropped the charges?

Cops investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing all the time too. That doesn’t stop internal affairs, or superior law enforcement from their own determinations.

United didn't commence their investigation until the CPS determined he had no case to answer.

The facts would be laid out in the courtroom in front of the whole world and even if he is not found guilty (remember Greenwood wasn't even prosecuted), the facts as known to date, damn him. He might be innocent of the crime of sexual assault, but that doesn't mean he isn't a clownish, misogynistic, bullying buffoon, which is enough to make his job untenable.

Grounds to dismiss are a much lower threshold.

If you are talking about Greenwood, then there may not be sufficient grounds to dismiss, especially if the private investigation backed up the claims that he was not guilty, and there was at least one possibly different interpretation from a longer audio tape.

However, if you are talking about Rubiales, which I am in this thread, there is more than sufficient evidence in the public arena to ensure that he can be dismissed on the basis of bringing the organisation into disrepute. By itself, the ham-fisted attempt to get Spain and Spanish clubs to be thrown out of European competition, on the grounds of the Spanish government interfering with soccer administration by commenting and acting on his personal situation is enough to get him fired, as he was putting himself before the organisation.

Is it?

Until it's sold for real money then it's not real money.

Well I would assume that the CPS have access to at least the same evidence that Man UTD did, hence they came to the same conclusion, nothing to defend here.

Well it is all a bit coincidental that Hermoso initially laughed it off (making jokes about it) and suddenly the issue got 'serious'. All those 81 could have been promised more recompense when the new Spanish FA head gets the gig along with their support. Win win for everyone. Plus there is the positive press and attention, and crucially sympathy for cause leading to more marketing opportunities for the women etc.

There is money to be made here. Look at the American women that play soccer, played the 'equality card'. Despite the fact that they had a better contract than the men. But wanted to re do the contract when it suited.

Make no doubt the Spanish women will profit financially from this Rubiales 'scandal'.

Yes you said it was reported, then you said it was "real money"

And?

The victims father doesn’t seem to be especially protective. The morning after the audio etc were released he made a statement saying he hoped they made up. What chance does the victim have in that situation.

I do I am very suspicious how it was all a laugh and a joke among the women - now the polticians have weighed in and so on and the narrative has become a lot darker and so on. I see it as a power play by the women egged on by those against Rubiales in the Spanish FA, along with some Spanish political support.

I am not saying Rubiales was not stupid for what he did, he was. But I am starting to question the real motives behind those who want him out - there seems to be a lot of agenda at play here. Much like the women's soccer 'equal pay' narrative I think it comes down to the thought of future money to be made. Where that be by the legal route or recompense by the Spanish FA. Also this 'scandal' is going to massively increase the women's profiles more followers online and so on. From those who would have little interest in the actual football - they can become influencers to them etc.

From listening to multiple English football podcasts there was zero legal input into the investigation. It was just internal staff with no legal background.

I was never clear on this point, threads moving fast, did the player say she was interested in pressing the charge. It falls apart or has legs depending on her choice.

Well she does like 80 other female Spanish players want him sacked. But you have to take into account his actions after the kiss as being a major contributor to that position.

Given that if she wanted to press charges, she'd have a very good go at it legally here: if she just wants him sacked, he should quit and say thank you while doing it.

Just seen the video of the women laughing and joking about the kiss. If that's sexual assault then i guess they think it's funny.

Player power, can I mention Vera Pauw here?

Very classy speech as expected from Sarina Wiegman.

Neither the time or the place for that soapboxing.

She was there to receive an award for coach of the year not to turn it into some political stunt which she did.

Politics has no place in sport, none.