2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

Quin_Dub · 29-08-2023 11:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039678#Comment_121039678

Agree - That "torpedo" clear out where they just dive off their feet to clear out the jackal player should be outlawed.

If a player clearing out goes off their feet it should be a penalty , simple as that.

Forcing them to stay on their feet instantly takes a huge amount of the momentum out of the contact.

29-08-2023 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121041755#Comment_121041755

A lot of this comes from the Jackal position being too strong. If the attacking side was reffed correctly it would be extremely difficult to keep the ball, especially out wide.

Quin_Dub · 29-08-2023 01:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121042102#Comment_121042102

Fair - It would need to come with sharper refereeing of the defender in terms of them supporting their own weight and sweeping beyond the ball etc.

Far too often you see a defender rewarded for using the ball to keep themselves upright , where they are massively over extended to reach the ball - If the player cannot lift the ball without going off their feet, then they were never in a position to win the turn-over in the first place.

Apply that along with the enforcing the clear-out player staying on their feet and I think it works.

29-08-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121042102#Comment_121042102

You'd like to think it would lead to more offloading but it would just lead to a LOT more penalties and stoppages.

Yeah_Right · 29-08-2023 04:23PM

Simple solution, bring back rucking. Guys on the ground will get out of there real quick and players looking to poach, if they can't lift the ball, they'll take their hands away pronto.

pickarooney · 29-08-2023 04:31PM

Or just require the defender to step over the tackled player before either a) playing the ball or b) pushing past the ball in a proper, bound contest over the ball

AbusesToilets · 29-08-2023 04:37PM

Proper rucking, ball has to be at the back of the ruck for someone to pick it up, enforce shoulders abover hips for all players.

Iamabeliever · 29-08-2023 07:47PM

From an Irish perspective, I assume we should be hoping SA win that first game making the pool a 2 horse race?

pickarooney · 29-08-2023 10:48PM

I don't think the winner changes anything about that. If Scotland win, SA can still beat us and it's all open. If SA win, we have to beat them and Scotland to avoid a three way tie

Iamabeliever · 29-08-2023 11:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044771#Comment_121044771

My view is if Scotland win, SA are in a do or die game against Ireland (I wouldn't see SA losing that). Ireland will then need a win against Scotland to tie (number of wins) with Scotland (provided both teams beat tonga). We would then be looking at bonus points gained through the pool stages.

If SA win, Ireland need only a win against scotland to go through.

29-08-2023 11:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044856#Comment_121044856

If Scotland beat South Africa, we'll Monster them.

29-08-2023 11:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043136#Comment_121043136

I'm not sure whether it's a case of older rugby fans being whimsical about the shoesing they received when they were young, or some weird 50 Shades inspired kink; but proper rucking is never coming back into the sport.

World Rugby is in full blown Mrs Flanders mode when it comes to the amateur game. How would this ever be introduced without absolute uproar? At what age group will we let over-excited teenagers start kicking the **** out of each other? How many red cards per game for over-aggressive rucking?

I'm not sure that it even stands on its merits at pro level; the damage a croc roll does to the jackler doesn't put the players off?

And considering how often a player is pinned into the ruck by the attacking side, what happens when some psycho uses that as an excuse to do some graphic design on the prone player's back.

It's never going to happen

ersatz · 30-08-2023 12:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044971#Comment_121044971

Agreed, JPR Williams having his face torn open as he was rucked is one of the most gruesome and violent things I've ever seen in sport, up there with Lester Pigott being dragged through a closed starting gate by a mad horse. A spectacle like that would literally kill the game.

Iamabeliever · 30-08-2023 06:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044944#Comment_121044944

So no benefit who wins that opening game?

pickarooney · 30-08-2023 06:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044856#Comment_121044856

It seems to me 'hope for SA to beat Scotland' and 'expect Ireland to beat Scotland' is a bit arrogant.

Why would being beaten make SA more dangerous but weaken Scotland. A Scotland with nothing to lose could do anything

Iamabeliever · 30-08-2023 07:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045184#Comment_121045184

Never said I expect Ireland to beat Scotland?? Never said I hope SA beat Scotland??

I would personally prefer if Scotland won the opening game but from an Irish perspective could lead to a potential 3 way tie with bonus points being a deciding factor.

stephen_n · 30-08-2023 08:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121042102#Comment_121042102

Then attacking teams would have to adapt to that. If they are serious about head injuries, turnovers shouldn’t matter. Also it could make the game more exciting.

Quin_Dub · 30-08-2023 10:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043972#Comment_121043972

The ideal result would be a draw with no bonus point for either side.

Yeah_Right · 30-08-2023 10:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044971#Comment_121044971

I agree. Rucking will never come back into the game. Maybe it is a nostalgic view but I did enjoy doing a Michael Flatley impersonation on opponents and comparing ruck marks with other forwards after the match over a beer. The good old days 😁

OldRio · 30-08-2023 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045955#Comment_121045955

My jaw also misses a number of teeth due to such rucking.

pickarooney · 30-08-2023 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045285#Comment_121045285

Sorry, I mixed you up with a poster with the same avatar and username.

"From an Irish perspective, I assume we should be hoping SA win that first game"

I misunderstood the 'only' to mean it was an easy game rather than 'only one of two games', I think.

"Ireland need only a win against scotland to go through."

Iamabeliever · 30-08-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046200#Comment_121046200

"From an Irish perspective, I assume we should be hoping SA win that first game making the pool a 2 horse race?"

By using "?", I was posing a question rather than making a statement.

"Ireland need only a win against Scotland to go through"

Yes - one of two.

No arrogance from me - although I do expect Ireland to beat Scotland if they play at the same level they have for the past 2 seasons. And, It will take a minor miracle for SA to lose that opening game but I've seen red cards giving in games before.

Podge_irl · 30-08-2023 01:50PM

I’d say we definitely want South Africa to win against Scotland. I’d rather not be having to look at bonus points and points difference if we lose to SA but beat Scotland.

agoodusername · 30-08-2023 04:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045772#Comment_121045772

I think that the ideal result would be SA winning and neither team getting a bonus point.

Our worst case scenario would be a high scoring game with Scotland winning with a BP and SA picking up 2BP, it would mean that we would almost certainly have to beat SA or else we'd be out before our final game.

Jump_In_Jack · 30-08-2023 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121047763#Comment_121047763

Incorrect, a 5-0 against Scotland would overcome a loss to South Africa in that scenario.

Pudsy33 · 30-08-2023 04:55PM

Danty out for the first game, that is massive. France are a different animal with him in the team.

Shehal · 30-08-2023 04:56PM

The best way we can simplify things is approach these games like the best in the world we are and win every single game...then it doesnt matter what the opposition do to each other.

Jump_In_Jack · 30-08-2023 05:13PM

Number two below means if we beat either one of South Africa or Scotland 5-0 we advance, assuming we get 10 points from the other two matches against Romania and Tonga, and the other two matches are not 5-0 each.

Tie-breaking criteria for pool stage:

Points obtained in all pool matches;
Points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question;
Points difference in all pool matches;
Tries difference in all pool matches;
Number of points scored in all pool matches;
Number of tries scored in all pool matches;
Official world ranking ;

(Source: Wikipedia)

ersatz · 30-08-2023 06:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045772#Comment_121045772

And both Scotland and South Africa and NZ/France to bate the sh*te out of each other.

Iamabeliever · 30-08-2023 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121047829#Comment_121047829

Agree. Il put new Zealand as favourites for this game now

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