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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    It's he still on the payroll? I remember there was a bit of confusion over that a few weeks back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    What a waste of time, he must literally have nothing else going on in his life. To see someone self-sabotage to this extent, I almost feel sorry for him. But he's an obnoxious prick so I don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Imagine the conversation in the car goin and coming home. How was your day Enoch? Same old same old father.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 dermo498


    He won Teacher with least absences 2022/23



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Eamon Coughlan was well able to give Enoch a good beating way back when...

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep, he is still on the payroll until the outcome of the Disciplinary Appeal Panel.

    Justice Dignam, get your finger out!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It is sad to see someone so young get caught up in such a treadmill. Despite his start in life, you’d think that college would have knocked the edges of him and he’d have come out a more rounded person. Somehow I don’t think he was cut out for teaching and I don’t think he has the smarts to turn it around. Wonder if he ever considered becoming an actuary or something like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    Why is it so important that we ungender our language in its entirety? What is the aim here and do you really think the desired outcome/aim will be achieved?


    What's wrong with the status quo with the addition of gender neutral terms/descriptors etc?

    ...Do you think the general populace/world outside of school will start ungendering their language as time goes by and words like boys/girls/mum/dad will cease to exist even though boys/girls/mums and dads wont?


    I guess that's why I think its silly, not onerous, just silly. It's not going to gain any ground for trans people to focus on language like this imo....it will just serve as a minor irritant....if a boy or a girl exists in the future then there will be a gendered word used as a label for said boy or girl


    Imo, It's the height of idiocy to ungender language in a school setting unless you think there won't be any such thing as gender at all in some future human society?? You don't think that do you?


    Are there not much more sensible battles to be fought that would improve outcomes? I personally don't know if there are but it would strike me that this one doesn't even come up to the level of a storm in a teacup.


    And yes, if an individual is getting upset that a teacher/coach/entertainer etc etc uses well worn phrases such as boys and girls, lads and ladies, ladies and gentlemen then that's a fragility that's a problem for that person imo....its going to happen in the wider world at some stage imo...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    A bit off topic, but you shouldn't have more respect for flat earthers imo.


    There is zero merit to any argument that the Earth is flat....


    They don't have an argument.....

    they have a load of easily disproven spurious nonsense. As evidenced by how quickly they get angry or stop replying when incontrovertible proof/evidence of the world not being flat is pointed out to that odd subset of people....


    I personally find it tiring and not very rewarding to engage with flat earthers but there are some very entertaining exchanges between rational people with a scientific/logical background and said subset of humans out there..


    Anyway, I digress I suppose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    To be fair to Enoch Burke by all accounts he is actually a decent teacher and appeared to be well liked as things go.

    The issue it seems for him and his family in general is that they find it very difficult when things don't go their way. His sister is another example of this. I don't being an actuary or any other job would change things long term. It's social skills he lacks which are required in any job.

    That's the core issue here the school managment made a decision he disagreed with and he lost the plot. It doesn't matter what job you are in your boss/company/customers/suppliers etc are going to make decisions you disagree with. There is a mature adult way of dealing with this situation and then there is the Burkes way. The sad fact is that he has sabotaged his own case never mind wasted a year and made future employment in any job a lot more difficult.



  • Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did not say there was a student identifying as a cat.

    The story in Rye College was that a student ridiculed the notion of identifying as a cat and the teacher admonished her for it. It was part of a wider conversation about identities. It was apparent that the teacher supported identifying as a cat, and that they would play along if that scenario arose. And that anyone who didn't is a despicable bigot who should "find another school".

    That story is genuine in so far as the leaked recording was real. It was not fabricated. This is the kind of nonsense that teachers are talking about in school. Nonsense begets nonsense.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why is it so important that we ungender our language in its entirety?

    Only, no one has suggested that. No one has suggested banning the use of all gendered words.

    What is being put forward, is that there should be an awareness that one size does not fit all, and to factor this in when having conversations in classrooms. Something most teachers with any kind of awareness already do, without having to be prompted or instructed to do it.

    It's only the likes of Enoch Burke who need instructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    Hmmm..if a document suggests we avoid gendered language....then that means ungender your language imo...it means when you deal with a group cut out the use of boys and girls and replace ....even though there are boys and girls in said group...am I incorrect? You are speaking in general terms about awareness but in practice the document suggests don't use boys and girls by my reading...is that correct?


    If that isn't what is being suggested by the document, what is being suggested?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A suggestion is not the same as a ban.

    You're arguing about something that isn't there.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,104 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    .deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    True, but what merit do the catboxers have...?

    At least the flat-earthers aren't trying to demonise people

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    I don't remember being as extreme as suggesting it was a ban?


    I do think its a silly suggestion however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    Are catboxers people that believe students are going around pretending to be cats and the clickbait stories are true?

    If so then I wasn't suggesting they had any merit either merely that flat earthers don't deserve any more respect...

    I do think its possible a student or two might be inspired by the stories to pretend they identified as a cat for a laugh (after all people willingly poured buckets of sand/gravel over themselves and recorded it for others to see ...along with other moronic "challenges") ...but that is neither here nor there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Catboxers are people who believe that schools are permitting it and in some cases allowing them.to.use litter trays.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Magnolia Hissing Youth


    Welllll let’s calm down a second and remind ourselves that the church does not intend to teach that you are literally eating the flesh of Jesus Christ nor drinking his actual blood.

    I do believe it is metaphorical. No fan of religion or teaching it to kids but the reasons being are purely because I think indoctrination of children into believing without question that a magic man lives in the clouds and judges us when we’re bad is crazy.

    A complete aside but I’ve heard parents discussing when the “right time” to spill the beans on Santa is and I’ve always thought it hilarious that Santa Claus has to be dispelled as a myth by a certain age but you’re as free as a bird to believe in a different magic man in the sky. Maybe cos “God” has better presents I don’t know.

    Anyway, per your point, it’s metaphorical but I still don’t disagree with your overall sentiment that it’s silly to think one ideology is okay to teach (especially such a gruesome one) whereas an ideology of inclusion for all is horrific. Boggles the mind.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Under the Catholic Church doctrine of transubstantiation, the bread and wine are changed in substance into the actual body and blood of Christ. It is, by definition, a cannibalistic ritual that many seven year olds are introduced to.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 IlovemybrickFC


    You're equating Mass with cannibalism ? That is so offensive it's not even funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,488 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it is ok to admit you dont understand the catholic mass. most catholics dont.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just when you thought the thread couldn't get any weirder....!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Given the thread since Enoch "started back at school" I think it's worth reminding everyone that the situation that Enoch finds himself has absolutely nothing to do with his Beliefs and EVERYTHING to do with his Behaviour.

    Right back at the very start of this there was a clear complaints procedure that Enoch could have chosen to follow which could have resulted in a very useful legal clarification around the extent of Religious freedom exemptions and the law of the land etc.

    Instead , Enoch decided to behave like a petulant child and simply demand that everyone do exactly as he wanted , no questions asked.

    He then chose to publicly argue with his Boss at a school event and according to accounts had to be physically blocked from pursuing her around the room so that he could keep shouting at her.

    He then refused to acknowledge the formal disciplinary process for his school leading to him being taken to court , where he refused to acknowledge the authority of the Judge and the courts , leading to him being jailed for contempt of court.

    He has continued to refuse to acknowledge any authority - as evidenced by multiple Court dates and School board hearings that have had to be curtailed because he and his family couldn't stop shouting at everyone.

    ALL of this is as a result of Enoch Burke (and indeed his entire families) absolute refusal to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with them and that there are rules, processes and laws that need to be adhered to.

    It's got absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "Transgenderism" or indeed anything else, other than the Burkes inability to behave like normal functioning members of society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,313 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/transubstantiation-for-beginners

    This argument would be better in the Christianity forum (or indeed Atheism and Agnosticism, depending on which side you stand). However the Catholic Church emphatically does not believe that the bread and wine are symbolic, that is the Protestant view. At the same time the Catholic church does not claim that on receiving the Host the recipient will see a piece of meat in their hand, it is entirely down to faith that it becomes the body of Christ.

    Disclaimer - I am a Protestant Atheist.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have you misunderstood the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation? It says that you're actually eating the body of Christ and drinking the blood of Christ, which is cannibalistic, by definition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,313 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I think you have (also) misunderstood the doctrine of transubstantiation. While the church does say that the bread and wine are the body and blood, it does not say that they physically look/taste/smell etc like flesh or blood, it is down to faith.

    Its a bit of a pointless discussion here since it entirely depends on faith to accept it, and if you don't have faith you are not likely to accept it.



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