What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Overheal · 27-08-2023 03:03PM

Lawrence Tribe and J Michael Luttig planted the seed, and now here it begins to go with first lawsuits filed to keep Trump off the ballot for engaging in insurrection as an elected official.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/donald-trump-constitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/08/25/trump-ineligible-for-presidency-because-of-his-role-in-insurrection-lawsuit-says/

pixelburp · 27-08-2023 03:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121033720#Comment_121033720

That's the thing, though. Napoleon (I & III) both had brains and abilities. As an aside, what do you mean "The search for Spock"?

Just a lazy bit of Star Trek humour; don't worry about it 🤭

As to bad kings, good point. Plenty of bad ones but few outright terrible or especially autocratic ones - Charles I maybe?

Trump defies standard analysis cos it rockets past conventional notions of political ideology along left and right biases into actual cult worship - best I can make it, American Christian Conservatism took massive head trauma and adopted Trump as the "imperfect vessel" to fast-track their Gilead fantasy.

Rawr · 27-08-2023 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121033808#Comment_121033808

Knowing Trump’s ego, he’d likely select a section of Trump Tower to house his Presidential Library. Oddly poetic if he did that, as he would complete the image of him being like Biff Tannon from the bad 1984 in Back To the Future 2, where Biff ruled from his sleazy tower resort, complete with a personal museum on the ground floor.

Trump would likely also try to set up some hideous tomb there too. In the heart of New York to get the most attention, and within the security of Trump Tower if they allowed it. Probably prudent since if you put his grave in an outside graveyard and you’ll have queues for miles to dance upon it…

amandstu · 27-08-2023 03:43PM

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No one has done that with Maggie Thatcher(as far as I know) and she was just as despised. Still ,who would want T's grave in their neighbourhood?

I.R.Y.E.D · 27-08-2023 04:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121034343#Comment_121034343

More due to where her ashes are interred, they just take it out on her statue instead

amandstu · 27-08-2023 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121034653#Comment_121034653

The trouble is more with the enablers and followers than the man himself (who might attract as much pity as scorn were it not for the office he held)

I.R.Y.E.D · 27-08-2023 04:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121034744#Comment_121034744

The man's an even bigger cúnt than MT was and that's a high bar.

As for his supporters while holding out hope for their favourite rapist getting the nomination, they were claiming Ron was the wave of the future and their new idol a few months ago and have now switched to Viv.

In other words they aren't capable of having an original thought between them and will switch to whoever the likes of Fox, the CT pushers etc that they follow promote.

briany · 27-08-2023 07:27PM

Regarding those who say that Trump is the only one Biden could beat - possibly true but it assumes that the Republican base would vote for another candidate and not just scrawl TRUMP or MAGA across the ballot (if paper).

Economics101 · 27-08-2023 09:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121033808#Comment_121033808

I've had this image in my head some time ago of the Trump Presidential Library: an almost empty shelf with a well-thumbed copy of Playboy, followed by other similar well-thumbed publications.

Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with the relevant literature to enlighten anybody any further.😁

everlast75 · 27-08-2023 10:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036153#Comment_121036153

What about the Time Magazine Stormy smacked his butt with?

charlie_says · 28-08-2023 12:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030200#Comment_121030200

Comprehension can be difficult even for a judge it seems.

amandstu · 28-08-2023 02:58AM

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Pity the judge didn't understand the point well enough to find in the rapist's (and racist's) favour.

Ah,well.

But he does still have the court of public opinion where that behaviour is apparently defensible to some.

odyssey06 · 28-08-2023 07:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036503#Comment_121036503

Your claims have no standing or credibility, and you continue to post in defence of a rapist.

Desperate stuff.

28-08-2023 08:07AM

Despite all the indictments and so forth, Trump support continues to remain strong, if not growing.

eightieschewbaccy · 28-08-2023 08:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036796#Comment_121036796

We're over 12 months out from an election and it's these lads... Plus the numerous other polls with Biden leading...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb9jgb/trump-fired-three-pollsters-but-kept-the-one-who-keeps-telling-him-hes-winning

Overall though, I imagine we'll see Trump's numbers shrink the more people actually think about the election. Cause he's not likely to gain new voters and that's the reality.

Penn · 28-08-2023 08:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036796#Comment_121036796

Let's take a look at some of the questions by that pollster:

"Do you agree or disagree that there is a double standard and bias at Joe Biden’s Department of Justice, the FBI and the IRS, where they continue to target Republicans like Donald Trump, but these same groups go easy and give sweetheart deals to Joe Biden and his family members when the evidence shows Joe Biden and his family have failed to pay their taxes, taken bribes and extorted money from our enemies such as the Communist Chinese and Russia?"

"Do you agree or disagree President Biden and his Justice Department are pushing the indictments of President Trump to divert attention away from the investigation of cocaine in the White House and alleged bribes of the Biden family by foreign companies including Communist China?"

"Do you agree or disagree that Joe Biden’s Justice Department should stop targeting Donald Trump and interfering with the upcoming presidential election and Biden should let the voters decide who the next president should be?"

briany · 28-08-2023 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036840#Comment_121036840

Trump may not have moderates or independents on his side so much, but the key question is what groundwork have the Republican party laid to disenfranchise these voters and blue voters in purple states and how many crazy officials have they installed who'll cooperate on some jiggery pokery if Trump declares a rigging if he loses? I haven't seen much answer on these two questions.

looksee · 28-08-2023 08:49AM

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I was trying to find a source for the actual questions asked and was unable, probably reflecting my own ability to search than anything else. Where did you find them? The nearest I got was the Roper Centre, but it is paywalled so I did not pursue it. You would think that questions should be available if the polls are balanced. Those questions are ridiculous.

Penn · 28-08-2023 08:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036951#Comment_121036951

If you click the link in rapidash's post it brings you to FiveThirtyEight. There if you click on the pollsters name it should open a pdf of the full poll conducted. Those particular questions are found towards the bottom of the pdf.

pixelburp · 28-08-2023 08:57AM

538 also grade the pollsters cos America being what it is, some of them are more heavily inclined towards one party than others. You'll spot them quickly enough to be honest even without seeking the grade. Time was I could mention a couple of the more obvious GOP favouring ones but I forget.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036951#Comment_121036951

You'd also ask who was polled cos clearly, there's a problem with shrinking floating or independent voters WRT Trump.

As always, Yes (Prime) Minister remains as topical and incise as ever.

https://youtu.be/ahgjEjJkZks?si=pPD8iCC_pKmYROX1

Rawr · 28-08-2023 09:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121034744#Comment_121034744

It is this, and personally my main problem with the guy. He can be a misogynistic idiotic toe-rag all he wants, but it is the behavour he encourages in others that I have always been wary of. A lot of the nastiness of the GOP has been there for many years, but Trump seemed to function as a human "permission slip" to many of them to cast away whatever veneer of civility they had left. The kinds of things Trump was saying would normally disqualify most for the office of US President, but then Trump became a canditate and then even got in....then all bets where off. The US President had usually been a highly respected position, and if a crass rapist toe-rag can say the things he said while in that office; then certainly the MAGA faithful could too.

*Actual Nazies* marched in US streets while racism, zenophobia and just pure hatred flourished under the brand of MAGA thanks to Donnie the Rapist. Even when Donnie is done stealing oxigen from more useful creatures, I feel that being such unfiltered bell-ends will be an additction that many MAGA-heads will unfortunatly retain for life.

Cody montana · 28-08-2023 09:30AM

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Correct, polls are irrelevant now and that’s for both candidates.

Why would an independent voter pick trump?

Those are the voters he needs

briany · 28-08-2023 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037094#Comment_121037094

What if independent voters don't show up? What if blue voters don't turn up because they think it'll be a shoe in?

pixelburp · 28-08-2023 10:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037267#Comment_121037267

If independents don't show up, knowing what they know about Trump's attempts to subvert and destroy Americas's democracy, then perhaps the country deserves to rot. It's on the line, the sides are drawn and the antagonist couldn't be clearer. Let Trump in and you may as well start a continental monarchy (not that many there would welcome this imo)

MisterAnarchy · 28-08-2023 10:34AM

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Its those 6-7 swing states that will decide the election, the other states are pretty much set in stone.

It may even just come down to 4 states, Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada.

As you said Trump needs to appeal to the Independents in these states and to do this he needs more moderate policy.

Big metro areas like Atlanta and Phoenix have been getting bluer in recent years.

Its no coincidence that Fani Willis is trying to jail Trump in Georgia, which has 16 electroral votes, the most of the 4 key states.

Im not sure how Trumps team think they can win these states, it would take a poor turnout perhaps, or Biden getting ill or something else for Trump to win the states.

Penn · 28-08-2023 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037380#Comment_121037380

Of course it's no coincidence that Fani Willis is prosecuting Trump in Georgia. She's the DA, in Georgia. The crimes relate, to Georgia. Trump et al were trying to change the election results, in Georgia.

If Fani Willis was prosecuting him in Maine for trying to overturn the election results in Nevada, that would be insane.

Trump targeted Georgia in 2020 for the precise reason that the election results were close there, and it was worth 16 electoral college votes. If his plan worked there, it could work for smaller states, but his plan wouldn't work at all, without Georgia.

So yeah, it's no coincidence whatsoever. He's being prosecuted by the DA of the state he committed crimes against.

briany · 28-08-2023 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037292#Comment_121037292

There remain a few factors of concern

1) Voter suppression - what can Republicans do to disenfranchise those likely to vote against Trump?

2) Fatigue - will the news cycle around the Trump indictments become a big ball of noise that loses impact?

3) Negativity - will voters be disillusioned with the choice that implores them to really vote against a guy to stop the future being worse, as opposed to voting for a guy to make the future better?

4) Complacency - will voters think that Trump cannot win and therefore not bother showing up?

randd1 · 28-08-2023 12:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037643#Comment_121037643

The Democrats don't necessarily need Biden to win; They just need to make sure Trump loses. So democrats need to start hammering home the the four messages to see them home when Trump is announced as GOP nominee;

1) Register early to vote, before they take your vote away, because the GOP are coming to take your vote. They already tried to dismiss your vote by staging an insurrection to overthrow the last election. They want to remove your vote. So register and vote when you can to stop him ending your right to vote.

2) A vote against Trump is a vote to protect an individuals rights to their own body. Trump is coming to take away your right of bodily autonomy. So register and vote to have the final say over your own body, not the Trump or the GOP.

3) Trump tried to steal the country. He tried to destroy American democracy. He tried to destroy the constitution. He tried to destroy your voice over how the country is run. Register and vote to protect American democracy and the US constitution from being destroyed by Trump and the GOP.

4) Trump is a traitor. He turned against the US and tried to destroy the authority of the people. He should have been tried for treason. And if allowed, Trump and the GOP will commit treason again by over-turning the will of the people.

Not exactly the cleanest messages, but you're not going to win a cold civil war by playing nice, and Trump and the GOP have shown, there's no gutter too deep that they won't into, which means that if the democrats want to win, they're going to have to get a bit filthy themselves. Trump and the GOP are a threat to the US, and ramming home again and again until it becomes a mantra to people that Trump and the GOP are traitors to the country, they're coming to steal your vote, they're coming to end your democracy and coming to take control of your body should be enough to get voters out against Trump as opposed to getting them out for Biden. Absolutely ram it home, video's, catchy slogans, all democrats rowing behind this one, the lot. All Biden himself would have to do is just keep the economy going.

And the best part, is that due to Trump and the GOP's own actions over the past few years, it's actually the truth.