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Anyone exit Suckler system??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭leoch


    Not the same I don't think as standing ringside even just to annoy them if nothing else and to see the playacting going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭50HX


    Better ways to spend your time but I get where you are coming from

    30mins around the mart,pick out your lots & bid from the comfort of home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    We collected two from Gortnalea on a Thursday around noon. The young lad said we go to Listowel and try to buy a few.

    Every animal we went on we lost at the last bid. As we were on the way home the young lad said ''f@@k that''. Two weeks later again I was collecting late he rang me he said he had one bought in Listowel, he had another one bought by the time I arrived there and a third by the time I went to pay for them.

    There was a bit of gawking as I put the trailer in a loading gate before I paid. If the other f@@kers can do it so can I

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    If you want to mess with the dealers heads, go ringside and bid on loads but buy nothing. Then sit at the back and buy away later online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Count Mondego


    Ya, buy them all online from a mart that's only 10 miles from me. I get batches of 10 and do two runs with the car trailer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 Mikeh22


    Myself and the father will be leaving the suckler game in the next year or so.

    Too much work for zero return.

    Will go into bullocks. Buy weanlings and keep them for a winter and a summer and off they go again.

    Will prob make as much from them as we do with the cows but with way less work and hardship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭annubis


    was in Ennis on tuesday which was show and sale day, was coming into mart after 9.30 and was dreading a big queue that you might usually find on such a day..not a single jeep infront of me, drove straight into ticket office and had my choice of loading bays..now there was plenty there after but it struck me that it was nothing like olden times when the place would be mobbed, no exit scheme needed i would think id say sucklers already dying away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    If so many are leaving suckling, then it might leave better prices for those that are left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    You would like to think so but E.U. policy dictates that imports from Brazil will probably keep a lid on beef prices similar like when they removed quotas in milk , Farmgate prices are not a piie ahead of 25 years ago while costs have escilated 2 fold in that time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭Grueller


    PRoblem with that Patsy is that there is no difference in eating quality between suckler bred beef or dairy x. The dairy x will keep a lid on price. Exports are the only place that a premium might appear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ya, I agree. producing R grade weanling sucklers is no longer any good. With the improvements in ICBF and genomic testing, those that are remaining will have to up the quality game to survive.

    Get the milk and fertility right on the cow side, while still producing a good U grade weanling at least. Where have I heard all this before. 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Expanding on this (every time I'm filling the tanker I'm typing). I fail to see this niche for pgi status for suckler bred Irish beef. Am I missing something?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    How many French and Italian suckler farms are lobbying for PGI status for Irish Moiled, Kerry or Dexter breed beef on the continent? Very few I would imagine yet we're trying to do just that in this country using Continental breeds and adapting our setup to suit them (at huge expense in a lot of cases on marginal land).

    There's a reason the suckler herd is in decline year on year and that's because it's becoming more and more apparent that it isn't profitable. You yourself Grueller gave it a serious try before switching main enterprises and you've never been shy of explaining the reasoning behind it.

    Running large numbers of suckler cow's on marginal to average land would bankrupt the best of operators in recent year's with the way input prices have increased. It might not be just as costly on good quality land but if you have good land you've more options than sucklers so why limit yourself. The nature of suckler farming is that it's a costly business with too few pay days in between. There's far too many potholes to fall into between bulling a cow and having a weanling to sell. When it works it's OK but it's the inefficiencies and losses along the way that kill the whole job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Some top end restaurants are paying for grass fed suckler breed beef in D4, but sadly they’re a minority. Most restaurants want food supply the cheaper the better as they are limited on what they can pass on.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    If the PGI for Irish grass-fed beef gets the thumbs up in Brussels, all it will do is reduce the value of the PGI logo for other genuine PGI products.

    How in the name of god could a whole country with mass-produced beef claim it’s something different?

    And as far as I can see, there’s not a single outlet for it.

    I thought the whole idea was PGI meant something different. And the certification only rubber-stamped something that was already happening.

    Equally, what will happen the Bord Bia label if PGI is approved? Is there room for two labels on a 500g pack of mince?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Packrat


    How can there be a pgi for each different breed/system? It leads only to confusion and stasis.

    Irish Grass fed beef : can be anything as long as its grass fed, this is the ICMSA pushing their byproduct.

    Irish Suckler reared beef: can be from a feedlot as long as it was a sucker calf... ffs...

    That's before you go into rare breeds or family farmed.

    It's as bad as trying to buy eggs in a supermarket. - 10 different virtue signaling marketing gimmicks.

    Only if the actual beef is verifiably different or better than competitive product from the same country should any of have pgi status.

    Nearly all mince and burgers taste the same and that's what the customers are eating most of.

    Hereford and Angus brands have been totally devalued by the inclusion of dairy crosses which are half Holstein or Jersey.

    Same with WAGU.

    For the ABP Dexter kill, they have to be Ped Redg. There is some case for this as top chefs use it in their restaurants and it regularly wins world steak competitions.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Simple as that - if everyone wins then no one wins.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Its not about the winning, it's the taking part 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    There is a difference.

    Dairy x beef has superior eating quality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Thats at the core of the whole Bord Bia Greenwash circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭jfh


    depending on which blind taste test expert is flavour of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What I can never figure out is why the traditional Irish breeds, Kerry, Dexter, Irish moiled etc never came together to form on brand indicating the breed on the label instead of the half ar5ed way they carry on.

    HO beef has put preformed Continental suckler beef which is most grain fed.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭DBK1


    A neighbour here used to supply our local butcher with a heifer a week for a long time. The odd time he didn’t have one ready I would give one instead.

    Always continentals, I can guarantee there’s not a dairy beef animal anywhere in the country that would match the steaks from them for eating quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    N=1

    A craft butcher I know well who supplies top-end restaurants, insists on HeX and AAx cross stock. No better for flavour and mouth feel due to fat colouring marbling and PUFA content of the meat. The premium market demands it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭DBK1


    He’s actually retired since and a man that worked for him for years took over the business from him. But he was farming himself also and killing all his own stock, the one a week from my neighbour was only keeping him topped up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Packrat


    @Jjameson I'm not going to contradict your opinion of dairy cross beef because I've not particularly knowingly eaten it as steak, but I'll ask this: Why hasn't it won any awards in taste tests, world steak competitions etc?

    We have a breed here that most of you lads scoff at but which has stood up to and regularly beaten the famed Kobe beef across the planet, that some of the top chefs across the world insist on - Dexter.

    I've tried every one of the main 'top beef' options both in great restaurants and at home, and none had the flavour to match it.

    Yet it's largely ignored here... Baffling.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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