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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Aren’t a lot of the top earners “contractors”? Why would they get redundancy??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    He wasn’t offered it to “turn it down”, he, and his representative, demanded it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Just reading some of the coverage and it looks far more serious than that. There are management failures and some of the information was not properly logged or tracked. Ironically, this article on RTE's website sums up the main points well:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0825/1401561-rte/

    The issue that may get some more coverage in the run-up to the PAC and Media committee appearances is how a barter account was used to pay Kelly's company for "consultancy" in order to route payments to Tubridy. The use of the barter account wasn't cost neutral. RTE had to pay a fee for processing the payments through the UK company. That made it more expensive to pay the invoices than if the invoices had been sent to RTE directly for payment and RTE had paid them directly.

    At this stage, it would not be suprising to see RTE people compelled (the committees have the legal power to do this) to appear before the committees. If the government is looking for the ammunition for major reforms in RTE, this report has provided a lot of it. And all of this would have probably not come to light only for Tubridy and Kelly.

    Regards...jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    Absolutely.

    Tubridy is starting to resemble that Prince Harry lad. Big Spitting Image heads on the two of them anyway;

    -Privilidged, pampered lives.

    -Disloyal with a predisposition to bite the hand that feeds them.

    -Greed.

    -Extreme capacity for self-delusion. Fed by an..

    -Extreme Narcissism.

    And finally, more Greek stuff with the Icarus-like fall from grace.

    Sadly, the world seems to produce a lot of people like that these days. But ultimately I wouldnt worry about largely harmless idiots.

    It's the harmful idiots that we should be worried about.

    The naked greed and sense of entitlement on display from the most influential echelon of our society. That's what we should be worried about.

    Hidden from no one, yet ignored largely by everyone. Like a beggar in the street.

    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,461 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    But don't forget, his address was aimed at 17/18yr olds.

    It was only 6 or 7 yrs ago that these same people really admired this ToyMan as a hero.

    Perhaps he thinks these now grown up teenagers still hold him with a sense of awe?

    Post edited by NIMAN on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    "It was only 6 or 7 years ago that these same people admired this ToyMan as their hero as a hero"

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    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,060 ✭✭✭gifted


    I know that the PAC & the Media committee have the power to compel DF, BOK and Jennings to appear but what happens if they do a John Delaney on it, as in, say nothing when they appear? It's not as if they are worried about losing their jobs?

    Also, how many times can they use an illness as an excuse not to appear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭rock22


    A question not being asked is does RTE really need a barter account. The argument in favour , from G.O'Leary, is that it brought in advertising that wouldn't be brought in any other way. But that really means people who wouldn't pay to advertise on RTE will use this barter account. The same as if I wanted to advertise and I brought in a load of turf to 'barter' for air time. I would get nowhere , unless RTE needed a load of turf. But it seems RTE accepted a lot of stuff, hotels accommodation, etc. that they didn't need and wouldn't otherwise pay for. So in reality what RTE got was of little value to them. Except the cash out at the end of the year which was subject to30% and more fees.

    It would be interesting to know how many of these advertisers would , ultimately, pay for advertising if RTE would not accept the ' load if turf' .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    I'd be a layman myself. Are there any Accountants on here that would kindly make a post about the mechanics of a 'barter A/C' or accounts?

    And how it would look on a legitimate company's books. Montrose Inc. a bad Twilight Zone episode, where neither proper Accounting Principles nor f**cking sanity, exists.

    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    His advice would be extremely welcome and useful to a lot of LC students today. The most important things are indeed family and perspective. Family is indeed worth infinitely more than points

    The students of today should grasp that perspective and realise that even if they didn't get the points they wanted due to a lack of ability and/or effort, they can all just leverage off their family connections to get a high paying job in the national broadcaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It was clear from the start that O'Leary was lying through her teeth and hiding stuff. She could not wait to get out of there. Her spending and use of the barter account needs to be fully investigated. In a normal country she might do jail time.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is in their best interests to cooperate with the various committees. They've used the illness card to get out of appearing but patience seems to be running out. There are some other reports due and this could spiral out of control for these people and for RTE.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Is there not a risk they could become suicidal and sue if they are asked difficult questions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The barter accounts themselves are not the issue. It is the lack of control, access and tracking of how they were used. The Mazars report uses very restrained and precise language but it is quite damning for RTE.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    I think at this stage RT is modelling himself on Eoin McLove. Certainly listening to the amount of women ringing Joe Duffy almost in tears that he was off the air. The world is a funny place. I can’t imagine any celebrity I would be that dependant on and I love my favourite actors or bands but I’m realistic about the whole thing. If they blot their copybook badly done day then I’ll acknowledge it and call time in my fandom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,033 ✭✭✭✭retalivity




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭stevejr


    I joined Boards.ie many years ago now. There was a Mod on a certain forum who once said;

    Some people's knickers are getting too twisted and some people's not enough.

    I think that just about the right amount of twisting is going on. Here, and in general.

    Apologists for Tubridy, if they're decent people, would not encourage their children to behave in the manner he has. Nobody likes hypocracy.

    More worryingly, his clownish PR Strategy of appealing to the children, is nothing but a misguided attempt to indoctrinate young plastic minds. It makes reasonable people/parents uneasy.

    Ironically, Tubridy severely underestimates the level of intelligence of his target audience. For most of them are more mature.

    

    Post edited by stevejr on

    What's the reason for being reasonable?

    Is that an unreasonable question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    The leaving cert instagram video has a sort of desperate energy to it. Ryan comes across as someone who is as dependent on being held in high regard with the public as he is on oxygen.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Yeah I looked at it again and it’s just weird and vacuous. If you unfortunately didn’t do as well as you’d hoped that kind of “Sure it’ll be grand and the universe holds the key “ advice doesn’t matter a damn. You’re either looking at a plan B in taking your second or Nth choice or coming to teens with knuckling down for a repeat year. What he should be saying is Keri your options open, highlighting all the post leaving options there are now and if your heartbroken, go away, have some fun with friends or family the a bit, try to put it out of your mind and revisit in a week. You’ll have a clearer picture. In the end no matter what, you have work to do but you’ll get it done. only somebody who has everything handed to them believes in this cosmos bullshit. Sometimes you do find yourself the right person in the right place at the right time but your previous work put you there. Telling kids who tried their best that sometimes it’s just a cosmic thing man that you didn’t get across the line is just awful imho.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    He was probably used to having that 'wisdom' to impart over the years unless of course he was usually on holidays when the results came out!

    There's nothing original in what he said. Of course there will be disappointed students but I am not sure if they would see that message or take any comfort from it, if they did see it.

    Slightly bizarre, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    He would be better served stepping out of the public eye for a while and waiting this out IMHO. If a job offer comes up in the UK, he should take it. If nothing like that comes on the table, he could work behind the scenes writing a book or producing some documentaries for TV. At the moment he is the face of all that's wrong in RTE and these public pronouncements are going down about as well as can be expected. The heat will eventually go out of this story and a time will probably come when it's OK for him to resume a broadcasting career in Ireland. Where and for how much are questions for another day. He is guilty of being a greedy bastard but when you compare this to the more recent scandals on British TV (Phillip Schofield, Huw Edwards, Dan Wootton) he's almost a choirboy. Maybe the grown-ups of Ireland will never want to see him back on air but this is something he brought onto his own head. I also think that if he ever comes back to RTE they'll handpick new staff for his show - people who weren't around at the time of the pay cuts. That is the sort of thing that will continue to rankle with the existing staff for quite some time yet.

    I'm showing my age here but I grew up watching the Toy Show in the Gay Byrne era. It was a show I loved to watch as a kid but not for the reasons Tubridy seems to think. I had no interest whatsoever in Uncle Gaybo or what jumper he was wearing. As far as I was concerned he was just some auld lad directing proceedings. If we'd had a VCR at the time, I'd definitely have fast-forwarded through Billie Barry and all the other singing and dancing kids. The only things I wanted to see were The Toys, with the books bit coming a poor second. Have kids really changed that much? Tubridy's desperate clinging onto his image as the Toyman and trying to appeal to the children of Ireland is beyond pathetic. Does he not understand that (1) Kids watch his show once a year and then promptly forget about it until the following year? (2) To a child, anybody over the age of 12 is elderly and they're not all that interested in the ones who aren't directly involved in their lives.

    I doubt many of the actual teenagers who've done their Leaving Cert give a jot what Tubridy has to say. They'll remember him from those once-a-year Late Late Shows when they were children and are unlikely to have watched many other episodes of it. They're also learning or about to learn where the greed of the older generations has got them. Words from a fat cat who has lived a sheltered, very privileged life have about as much relevance to them as a pep talk from Elon Musk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I dunno. 250k followers on Instagram and 45k likes and counting for that pile of $hite video. I think that's enough love to keep anyone comfortable in their own reality.

    If he was to lose that core following then you might see him publicly urinating on Grafton Street at some stage but until then I'd say he's happy enough to belive in his own importance.



  • Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The video reminded me of his previous advice to young people a while back, which was to always "choose fun".

    He was talking about how he once started studying to become a barrister but had gotten bored after a short spell at Kings Inns (very expensive I assume), so he just packed it in for his cushy number in RTE.

    It was deluded speech that showed how little understanding he has of the pressure most people are under to get stable jobs and pay the bills.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s it , mine is 11 and couldn’t give a fiddlers about the toy show , in fact on the contrary tubs may have ruined it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I've largely forgotten who RT is at this stage. The king is dead, long live the king etc...

    Anyway, back to proposed redundancies. Surely they cannot include the highly paid contractors in such a scheme? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought redundancy could only apply to a contract of employment. Someone might enlighten me.

    If that is correct, then the redundancy payments will only apply to permanent employees, not contractors. Who are they I wonder and how much are THEY paid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That would depend on the nature of the contracts I guess. IF NK negotiated 'exit payments' for any of them, I'd be appalled. The whole idea of an 'exit payment' or 'sick pay' or 'holiday pay' for a contractor is just pure nonsense.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 11,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Great advice alright. Not many can decide to pack in a chosen career path and have something else to fall into. You can choose the career you want but at the end of the day no matter what your doing it involves 9-5 Mon-Fri at least and then you have to have chosen a career you like that will get you a decent standard of living down the line. It’s fun alright. Definitely I think later in life if you still have good Heath and have made enough to live comfortably, you can choose fun at that stage and you’ve earned it by then. I’m lucky to be doing something I like but it was very hard work to get there and, even though I like it, it’s still s a job at the end of the day with all the hassle that entails. Down the line I may get to ‘choose fun’ but I’m not there yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    I wonder who's left who actually wants to take a redundancy package? They've already been down this road a few times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The problem for Tubridy is that he is (was) his job and his job is (was) him. Without the LLS and the radio show, he really has nothing on which to fall back. Even though he was a contractor for tax purposes, he was an RTE lifer and now that's gone. That close identification and dependence on fame can't be healthy. The LC video, in that respect, is rather sad.

    Regards...jmcc



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