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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • #25082
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024654#Comment_121024654

    He'll withdraw all support and leave it for Putin to ravage. Trumpsters have been Putinist shills for several years now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #25083
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024672#Comment_121024672

    Just like what happened in Syria, whereas this time it's the Ukrainians he's leaving for dust rather than the Kurds



  • #25084
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024672#Comment_121024672

    Indeed. Even before the war Tucker announced he would support Russia in such a war.


    Any deal would just be a time save as Russia rebuilt in an attempt to actually take Ukraine within 3 days in their next invasion.



  • #25085
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024654#Comment_121024654

    They can't. It's just a repetition of something they saw online in one of their troughs of bullshít, devoid of any thought or reason. If they did try to explain it, and put it into words, they'd realise how stupid it sounds. Rather than explain it, they'll just duck away for a while before popping up somewhere else later with the same stupid drivel.



  • #25086
    ollkiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Without appealing to the independent and middle voters Trump hasn't a chance in hell of getting reelected. Swing voters have decided multiple elections in the USA and will decide the next one. And Trump wont change. He will go even more hardline. And thus have zero chance of getting elected.



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  • #25087
    TinyMuffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Is it not republicans that are flipping to give evidence against trump.



  • #25088
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024903#Comment_121024903

    And look at the result. Russia destroyed as a fighting force and the object of ridicule on the world stage. They're completely isolated. Biden played a blinder here whereas his predecessor would have handed Ukraine over or even declared war on it as well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #25089
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024917#Comment_121024917

    "behaved inappropriately" - Or in other words, "committed illegal acts"

    Not to mention that some of the other cases against him, he "behaved inappropriately" (again, "committed illegal acts") with regards to classified documents.

    It would be recklessly irresponsible to not investigate these acts and bring forward charges in accordance with the law.



  • #25090
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024968#Comment_121024968

    Was Trump wrong to hold classified documents, yes.

    Should a former president be arrested and jailed for it? Absolutely not -- particularly not in the febrile political climate that looms over the US at present.



  • #25091
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,679 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121023822#Comment_121023822

    I really, really hope you are correct and on balance I think you are. However, since Brexit and Trump being elected in 2016 I don't trust polls anymore.

    I don't think it is impossible for Trump to win. A lot can happen between then and now, such as Biden falling ill.



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  • #25092
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024978#Comment_121024978

    Once again, the issue isn't "hold". He purposefully engaged in wilfull obstruction, concealing and inappropriate security regarding the documents. If he just had them and engaged faithfully with the FBI about checking them, making sure they had the appripriate security, returning any he shouldn't have etc, then it would be wrong to arrest and jail him for that.

    That's not what happened though. He wasn't "wrong" to hold classified documents. He was "acting illegally" to "retain, store and share" classified documents.

    Amazing what a difference a few words make when the difference can determine if something is illegal or not. Nor should the political climate determine whether charges should be brought or not. "My followers might riot or cause public disturbances if you jail me" does not absolve someone of consequences for committing illegal acts.



  • #25093
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024978#Comment_121024978

    He wanted Hilary thrown in jail for a lot less. Consistency.

    And yes, he should absolutely be arrested for it - why the hell would someone NOT be arrested upon suspicion of commiting a serious crime..?? And he should be thrown in jail for it if found guilty. That is incompetence and negligence on extreme level. The fact that he's a former president makes no difference.

    And that;s before we even get to the incitement and election interference charges - you don't seriously think he should be given let-offs on those too, do you?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #25094
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This conservative caste system nonsense needs to die. He broke the law. He should be in jail like anyone else would be. He should absolutely be disqualified from holding any public office for the rest of his worthless life.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #25095
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,175 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024032#Comment_121024032

    Only absolute fcuking idiots would simultaneously advocate for Ukraine succumbing to Putins invasion and whinge and bitch about the American border with Mexico and how Biden should be doing more to protect it.

    The fact that that is what constitutes logical thought amongst Trump fans is a sad indictment of the collapse of the party.



  • #25096
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024978#Comment_121024978

    He broke the fcukin law.



  • #25097
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024978#Comment_121024978

    he is charged with a lot more than that.



  • #25098
    Kevrano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024881#Comment_121024881

    Trump wanted his opponent Hillary Clinton jailed during the 2016 campaign, is that what you're referring to?



  • #25099
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024978#Comment_121024978

    That's not what the case is about. In case you're unaware as your post suggests, he is being tried for wilfully refusing to give them back and committing other criminal acts in order to do so. To make matters worse, a lot of this obstruction was done in public which is the sort of thing that forces people's hands. If he just gave them back, he would not be in that mess.

    Now that you have been made aware of why he is being tried for crimes that he committed, perhaps you might stop repeating your false assertion that those who commit crimes should not be prosecuted.



  • #25100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025035#Comment_121025035

    As Richard Nixon did, but who was pardoned by Gerald Ford.

    Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

    This was the right decision, even though it was deemed controversial at the time.

    A system of grudge and vindictiveness against former presidents is a terrible precedent to set (which is what appears to be the case). The US should rise above it, however partisan.

    What would be more proportionate is for Trump to be held liable for any crimes, but that Trump should be spared jail. That would defuse tensions rather than risk unnecessary escalation by jailing a former president (who is 77-years old anyway). People need to be realistic about this. It's not an ordinary member of the public we're talking about.



  • #25101
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121023823#Comment_121023823

    RED WAVE NOVEMBER 2024 TM



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  • #25102
    Kevrano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025106#Comment_121025106

    Bet you only apply that to Republican presidents



  • #25103
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025114#Comment_121025114

    There would be many more without helping the Ukrainians. What exactly do you think is happening in the places that Russia has occupied. You're just one of those sick individuals who want a Bucha all over Ukraine. Sick.



  • #25104
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025106#Comment_121025106

    Should all crimes be forgiven? Where do you draw the line or does it just depend on who the accused happens to be?



  • #25105
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025106#Comment_121025106

    That's implying that anyone who ever held the US presidency should be automatically pardoned, thus putting them above the law...? That's beyond dangerous.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #25106
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Be very interesting to see how this plays out over the coming months. He's all fire and brimstone now but I have an inkling that as the cases draw nearer and the realisation sets in that he is in fact going to have to face a jury, he will look to plea.

    He's just trying everything he can at the moment to obstruct, rile his base and hope that something happens so that the cases are paused or thrown out. Maybe he's under the impression that no matter what, even if found guilty, that he won't be sent to prison but I just don't see him having the stones to face a jury on the Georgia and documents case.



  • #25107
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,655 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025114#Comment_121025114

    Using the deaths of people fighting for their country to score points on the internet is disgusting.

    I won't be responding to any more of your Putinist drivel.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #25108
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024903#Comment_121024903

    Sorry, I don't understand. You are one minute saying Ukraine has nothing to do with US and should leave them at it, and then complaining that past POTUS have let Russia annex other countries/regions.

    Which is it?



  • #25109
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025164#Comment_121025164

    I think he's trying to stall long enough so that he's back in the White House before they can get started, and then just quash them all personally.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #25110
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024184#Comment_121024184

    That’s how broke they really are. I don’t think they would have stiffed their lawyers this consistently otherwise.



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  • #25111
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024917#Comment_121024917

    The application of the rule of law is recklessly irresponsible? Trump is not the POTUS, and not even the official candidate for POTUS. So why is it wrong that he be held accountable for his actions?



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