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2023 World Athletics Championships, Budapest

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  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s simply not true. Bol’s outdoor PB over 400m is 49.44; Klaver’s is 49.81. Bol is also the indoor world record holder over 400m at 49.26.

    Bol is objectively a better 400m runner than Klaver. No doubt Klaver will revise her PB in the final, but I doubt she will go faster than 49.4x.

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  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Adeleke is going to need to attack the first 200m in the final or she’s immediately out of contention. She ran down Bolingo in her semi-final. That won’t happen against superior opposition in the final.

    Sada Williams is very, very dangerous. Although Kaczmarek pipped her on the line in their semi final, Williams looked the easier of the two. In my view, the gold is between Paulino and Williams. The bronze will be a dog fight between Adeleke, Kaczmarek, and Klaver. I reckon it will take 49.3x or 49.4x to nail the bronze. The gold medal will be won in 49 flat or 49.1x.

    Honourable mention for Mawdsley running another decent 51.78 in her semi after three gruelling 400m already in her legs. Although she wasn’t in contention this evening, she can take a huge amount away from these championships. If she can kick on next year, she could become a force at least at European level.



  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Sorry I meant 2023 times, Klaver is faster than Bol this year. This is also probably another reason why they put Klaver in the 400m rather than Bol

    as well as wanting her to perform in the hurdles and the relays.

    I still maintain that in her present condition Klaver wouldve been a better final leg than Bol and I maintain that Bol is their poster child for reasons you mentioned there.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Bol set the indoor 400 metre world record this year, beating Klaver by over a second in the race.

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Yeah, if you click indoor and women's 400m indoor you can see it. 49.26 for Bol, crazy fast time.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Yeah but this is outdoors which is what I was looking at since the World Championship is outdoors.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elites always run faster outdoors than indoors. That indoor 49.26 converts to sub-49 outdoors. Bol has only run a couple of early season tune-up 400m flat races this year.

    If she chose to run the 400m at these champs, she would almost certainly medal and would quite possibly win gold.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat



    Klaver has run faster than Bol this year outdoors, you cant discredit the facts are on paper. Klaver looks stronger to me presently and in my opinion would've ran a better last leg in the mixed relays. I actually said before that mixed relay final that Bol didnt look that sharp and Im not sure if it was yourself who said she was just jogging the semi and would show up in the final.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    The distance is the same. 400 metres. And Bol has only ran twice outdoor at 400 metres this year. She's been racing the 400 metre hurdles. Clearly a superior 400 metre runner than Klaver, you have to exclude everything before this year, her indoor form this year, that's she's only ran twice outdoor at 400 metres this year and even at that her time is only .01 behind Klaver who has had multiple run outs at the distance she's been training for.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    What is your problem that you cannot accept that Klaver ran faster than Bol outdoors. The pair of you are gas.

    I'm going to say that Klaver will get the silver in the 400m. She looks like a powerhouse at the moment.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody is discrediting Klaver. She’s a superb 400m runner. Much as I’m loathe to admit it, I believe Klaver will finish ahead of Adeleke in the final this year.

    Bol is quite simply on a different level. She’s a generational talent, just one level down from McLaughlin. Anybody who follows athletics and has done for a while, knows this.

    I didn’t comment on Bol’s run in the semi final. That was another poster.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat



    Im simply saying on paper Klaver is recorded, not by me but by world athletics as having the better time this year. Its not my problem.

    I already said that Klaver will pick up the silver in the 400m. She looks stronger presently to me from what Ive seen so far in this championship.

    Dont hate me for that.

    You have a bee in your bonnet as soon as I told you Klaver has the better time on paper outdoors this year. Get over it.

    Then you start bringing up her history in athletics as if I said Klaver is the better athlete overall. I didnt so stop speaking rubbish just to feel like you're right.

    You were at the same thing a few weeks ago with the 1500m when I was talking about the Africans, contradicting everything I said.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you know why Bol and Klaver rarely race each other over 400m flat these days?

    Their coach in Pappendal is Laurent Meuwly. He deliberately separates them until major champs because Bol almost invariably defeats Klaver and he was concerned it was undermining her (Klaver’s) confidence going into crunch meetings.

    Meuwly is one of the most respected coaches in world athletics. I suspect he knows a thing or two about the athletes in his charge and their respective abilities.

    Anyway, I’m going to leave it there. I come to this board to have light hearted discussions about athletics. This is becoming needlessly confrontational.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Only you know why you are confrontational, the fact is on paper that Klaver is faster outdoors this year.

    Bol didnt look too hot in the semi and if she was up to it, she wouldnt have been under pressure and fallen in the final against the USA contender who she shouldve beaten hands down.

    Its okay to admit that Bol is human and Klaver looked better the other night and is looking great in the 400m this evening.

    We can all see it with our eyes, no matter who their coach is, the present day facts speak for themselves.

    Bol may well be sensational in the hurdles and get gold if her confidence isnt affected from the other night. I hope she does, shes one of my favourites along with Hassan and Duplantis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 dolldot2


    Interesting on social media that some comments saying Rhasidat doesn’t stand a chance in the final and she looked heavy on her legs. I remember at the European championships last year where in fact she ran way more races in the lead up than this year she still managed a pb in that final and not even training for 400m. She is a championship runner fact and she will give it 100% percent in that final whether it good enough for a medal or not who knows… but she ran 49.86 in the semis at the NCAAs and then 49.20 in that final. It will certainly be a dog fight but to come back tonight after that slow start in the first 200m she was catching Paulino and yes had to work harder on the home straight to get 2nd place but gosh people can be harsh a lot of expectations and for her to reach a major final like that after her crazy season is really incredible so kudos to her whatever the outcome is in the final. The rest of those runners have years of experience on her .. I thought Sada Williams looked very good but I don’t want Klaver to win a medal not a fan of her at all but anything can happen in the final … ☘️☘️



  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Well this is it, I said earlier that I hope Adeleke isnt bunched from the season and someone said shes playing with the crowd. I didnt think so, if you look at her after the race when she was looking at the screen and the results. She looked worried to me.

    I think shes tired after the season of racing and I think Bol might be too.

    Hopefully Im wrong but both these athletes have been very busy this year racing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 dolldot2


    I agree she amazing to make it this far after a long collegiate season their is mileage in her legs for sure and jesus would love to see her medal but it’s a stacked field no question I think a top 5 placing would be incredible!! We do get carried away and because we have not had that type of talent ever ..the expectations are huge but she only 20 years of age! Ciara race am not sure if she medal either but Ciara is one of those runners who can surprise but another highly stacked field especially the Africans and Hassan.. again a top 5 or 6 finish is realistic and would be brilliant but it’s probably her best shot at winning a medal at a major championship and she is super form and it’s amazing to see she a lovely girl who had so many ups and downs delighted to see her at this level now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭SuspectZero



    Earlier in this thread, you were talking about Pb's being the be all and end all for the 1500m. Now you are saying seasons best for the 400m are the be all and end all, make up your mind will ya:p


    Bol is a fantastic athlete, a level above Klaver and that's not to discredit Klaver, she's running very very strongly but your premise is asburd. Klaver's season best is . 01 of a second faster than Bol Outdoor this season😂. Bol has run 9 400's and is undefeated coming into the champs including her otherworldly indoor 49.26 indoor. Arguing in hindsight that Klaver should've been the anchor and that the reason why is .01 is absurdly semantic and borderline trolling if I'm being honest. You know full well you're being disengenious with that.

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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Bol didnt look too hot in the semi and if she was up to it, she wouldnt have been under pressure and fallen in the final against the USA contender who she shouldve beaten hands down.

    Its okay to admit that Bol is human and Klaver looked better the other night and is looking great in the 400m this evening.


    It boils down to me saying that I think the Africans will beat Ciara and that I didnt think Bol was up to it for the final. If not agreeing with the 'crowd' is called trolling then Im a troll so what.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭SuspectZero



    I've no problem with those views, as I said the 1500 is loaded and tough to call, you could be completely right on that, I was more referring to point of Klaver being .01 of a second faster than Bol this year outside being the basis of your point. You have to admit that's some extreme semantics that comes across disengeniously. And I say this as complete stat anorak lol.


    Maybe she wasn't feeling up to it but the relay splits don't reflect that


    Klaver 49.5 on her leg

    The anchor leg was run in 48.9(and Bol minus the flop was right on target for that too)

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I never said she didn't run a faster outdoor time? I was disagreeing with this opinion:

    "I still maintain that in her present condition Klaver wouldve been a better final leg than Bol and I maintain that Bol is their poster child for reasons you mentioned there."

    I provided you with a lot of evidence to back up my opinion why I think you're very wrong. Klaver is a very good athlete, Bol is in a different class.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If I remember correctly, Rhasidat messed up a bit in the semi final in Munich as well last year and then ran much better in the final. I think it's simply that she is very inexperienced in the 400m and hasn't quite got the hang of pacing herself properly yet.

    I'm anticipating she will be much more competitive tomorrow evening and will run a faster time.



  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Okay I'm going to be respectful here.

    I think Bol is in a league of her own just below Sydney as well.

    However, Klaver has run faster in the official 400m outdoor races this year, Bol didnt beat her time in the two races she ran outdoors this year. So we need to give Klaver the credit she deserves, she deserves to be in the 400m final and I'm sure she will medal.

    I also still maintain that Bol didnt look that hot in the semi relay and I wrote earlier that I wasnt sure they'd claim gold looking at them. Normally Bol is steaming ahead, she looked like she just about got the job done for the semi.

    Klaver looked stronger to me and in the final she did what she needed to do for her leg. I'm sure she could've run faster if needed.

    Maybe Bol is tired from the season or was having a bad few days but she wasnt able for Holmes in the final.

    I was heartbroken for Bol and I'm hoping it was just temporary fatigue and that she comes back stronger for the hurdles.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    "I was heartbroken for Bol"

    💔😁



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I read the original post before he edited as well. I think it's time to add a name to the ignore list.



  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


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  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


    Im devastated, you're such a good sport and everything



  • Posts: 535 ✭✭✭ Abril Enough Wheat


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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    That confirms it. I knew you didn't appreciate being put back in your box. Off to ignore with you. 😀 I advise others to follow suit.

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