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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So, instead of attending the debate, 45 is having an interview with Carson.

    Surely it can't be *this* Carlson..???


    "I am done with Trump and his unfounded claims of a rigged election.


    We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait,” he texted an unidentified person.


    I hate him passionately. ... I can’t handle much more of this."

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,782 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I wonder when all his four criminal cases kick off next year what might happen with them overlapping each other. Hes got one beginning January, then March then May and the final one in August. Trumps legal strategy has always been to delay legal cases as much as possible so during them we could see trips to the Supreme Court to iron out some constitutional point of law that he knows he is going to lose but he will use it as a delay tactic to get him to election day in November. Ultimately that is his strategy here, he thinks he can win the White House and then pardon himself of federal crimes. Which is why he wants the Georgia case moved to a federal court like the other three are.

    I cant see any way these four cases are going to run to schedule. AFAIK he has to be present in court at all times for each case. So when he delays the first case that then has consequences for all the others. I wont be surprised at all if they run in to 2025 by the time this is done. Because the wheels of justice grind slowly he is going to be around for a good while yet.

    The other consequence to all this is the Presidential tv debates, I dont think they will happen at all which will be canning a long standing American tradition. By the time September comes around he'll likely have gag orders on him about speaking on the cases. That means he cant talk about his stolen election schtick which he has traded off for almost 3 years now. With a gag like that on him he would have actually nothing to say because he literally has no policies. If he does show up he is just going to be rantng and raving on about the Biden crime family (grandchildren included now as per his latest rant) and Hunters laptop. While Biden will be just standing there talking about the lowest unemployment numbers since the late 1960s and how his administration has created more jobs than most presidents who came before him. At the debates Trump would turn loads of voters off and just talk himself out of even being remotely competitive on election day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What's been Tucker's reasoning for these texts? Has he just said they're bogus or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,782 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Id say there is no reasoning at all because he never said the texts were fake and they did show up as part of discovery in the Dominion trial so they would have been tested for authenticity at that point.

    Tuckers only reasoning is that he might hate Trump but he loves money even more and he is struggling to be relevant now he is off Fox. Its the same with Rupert Murdoch, he hates Trump too but he loves money more, hence why Fox were begging Trump to take part in the Republican primary debates.

    Its all about the money for them at the end of the day and they do have a $750m defamation bill to pay to Dominon with another similar amount likely to due to the other voting machine company Smartmatic who are also in the process of suing Fox News. They need Trump for ratings to help pay the massive legal costs that was caused by them repeating Trumps lies about the voting machines. Its actually beautifully circular when you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,652 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Well, I presume all the debates will be about the Pink Peril of some "Woke agenda" even though they cannot even define "Woke", let alone define an agenda. They can't exactly concentrate on the old "Red Menace" enemy of Russia anymore because they are practically identical now.

    So I assume it will be about drag queens, Christianity in class (good), other religions/no religion in class (bad), vague allegations that LGBTQ community are paedophiles, stolen election, Woke in media, Woke in school, Woke in office. Stolen election. Equal Rights gone mad. Did i mention stolen election? Woke did it.

    No debates on the economy (apart from how woke is killing economy). No debates on foreign policy (apart from where this interacts with woke). No debates on jobs (apart from how woke is killing good "mom and pop" Christian jobs). No debate on debt (apart from the cost of woke ideas such as health care).

    Is amazing how perversely obsessed the GQP/GOP are with people's sexuality. Getting all sweaty and breathing heavily in some Christian outrage over what stranger's do in their bedroom. Entire state policies based upon what happens in the bedrooms of consenting adults. It is insanely creepy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Again, the point of 'Woke' is not to define it. In this way you can build an alliance between both far-right elements and moderates. They can agree that 'woke' is bad while never actually discussing what the word means to them. If they were to do so and discover that their subjective definitions were miles apart, the whole thing would likely crumble. This is why prominent figures like DeSantis will not define the word in a public way. It essentially draws a line that splits any voter base in two. It's sort of a McGuffin of a word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Justin Webb in today’s Sunday Times has a big article saying Biden has allowed the DOJ to prosecute his president rival and could have stopped the charges.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Why would the President of America interfere with the ongoing work of the DOJ that would surely be seen as an overreach by any President and complete interference with the rule of law in that Country.

    That is something an autocrat would want to do not a President of a free Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that’s not how special counsels work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,072 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    So he is in favour of political interference in the justice system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    News just in - more Trump's nonsense proven to be bullshit...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If Trump has shown one thing, there's nothing said, no absolute declared noisily by a right winger, that can't be undone by a quickly roll on the back to flash ones tummy to Trump.

    Carlson's a free agent and arguably more at the whim of outside influence than he was as at Fox; if he wants to keep that angry-without-a-cause audience he'll need to kiss the ring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Even if the Georgia cases were moved to a federal court this does not make them a federal crime. He cannot be pardoned for what happened in Georgia no matter where the case is heard. The only way he could be pardoned is after he has completed his sentence if found guilty and even then I believe there are certain stipulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I heard they would get a more favourable jury pool if the case is moved.

    Is it anticipated as likely that an unbiased jury can be found ,wherever the case is held?

    Will Trump fanatics lie through their teeth to get on the jury where one holdout can swing the verdict?

    If they are OK with disrupting elections results then tampering with jury selection should not represent a novel concept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And it's disturbing when you think about it. In Trumpworld, it's not about record, it's about loyalty. The moment you go against Trump, he calls you crazy, a lowlife, a scumbag, a traitor, but you can remedy it all tomorrow by rolling over and Trump would nearly pivot in mid-sentence to calling you a great person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,652 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Imagine saying 20 years ago that, not only would a former president and presidential candidate be on trial for such serious allegations of crime that everyone involved in prosecution would need security protection. My god, if it does go to a jury (I don't know the legalities of such a case), the jury members world need to be under protection of assassination potentially for the rest of their lives. May even need to go into witness protection. And the party he represents watches on with pride at this very embodiment of what their party stands for.

    If there is a jury they will be threatened with murder..... at the very least. We know this for a fact.

    And the GQP will watch with a tear of pride in their eye at America in action.

    This is not some minor fringe party but the so called party of "Law & Order" and they support and embrace this hate. This is not conjecture. This is not science fiction. This is fact.

    For his trump-butts people out there (you know the ones: "I don't support Trump but..."), am I wrong. Tell me I am wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,334 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    But its not Trump's fault if his faithful followers go a bit overboard in their anxiety over their beloved leader!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You'd love to know how and why that happens. Is it just Trump or some culmination of untruth and fake news from Fox et al, whose control of the bullshít was lost when Trump's own brand of baseless confidence took over?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a form of political edging IMO. Fox & Co titillate their viewership to rile them up with the sole goal of keeping the Democrats out. The problem is that the MAGA demographic was never fond of the corporate republicans either, they just had the virtue of not being Democrats. We saw something similar with Brexit. Once something different came along with the opportunity to cast a ballot, that was all that was necessary to upend things.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I blame Religion to be honest.

    Conservative America has spent the last 75+ Years listening to various Pastors and Church leaders telling them exactly how to live their lives.

    They have been indoctrinated from a very young age that what the Pastor says is true and it's the word of God and that to challenge that "word" is evil and wrong. Their brains have been shown to have developed differently as a result of this and the part of the brain used for critical thinking is significantly underdeveloped.

    So their ability to critically analyse information is fundamentally and structurally damaged.

    Once someone assumes a "leadership" role they are not to be questioned or challenged and no matter how "out there" what they say is , questioning the collective narrative gets you shunned and excluded. They are the world most gullible and compliant social group on earth.

    It's why they fall for scams all the time - All these Mega-Church pastors scamming them for a new G6 and so on.

    Trumps "Gift" has been to have been able to coalesce that gullibility around him whereas before it was spread around among a multitude of mid-level grifters - People like Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen on the Religious end of things and the Alex Jones of the world in the Media.

    Trump has managed to supplant all of them as the single "leader" among these people and become the Emperor of Grift.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd like to add that American Protestantism is decentralized in America. I don't think there's an "official" strain of it like there is here in the UK. As a result, you have this dynamic of splinter groups breaking off with some new gimmick. Trump is in the same vein.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - There is no hierarchy of Pastor-Bishop-Archbishop etc.

    Everywhere else it really doesn't matter which building you go on a Sunday , you'll hear basically the same thing and those priests/pastors are paid a salary from a central fund so they aren't fighting among themselves for parishoners.

    In the US though , each one is entirely independent and they have to "one-up" the next guy to get a congregation to fund them so they all find their angle to work to drive the revenue to keep the show on the road. And that angle has been all about fear for quite some time.

    Trump is just yet another "travelling preacher" pitching his tent in the local field to spin his own version of the "you will burn in hells fire if you don't follow me" schtick that these people have been buying for generations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I wonder which one of the those at the debate will be the first to attack Trump since he isn't there to bully them.


    Christie for sure he has been doing it already and would have no problem doing it with Trump in the room either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Well, things are not going well for poor Ron. As this poster points out, he has developed a Homelander vibe...


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I think religious organisations are tax exempt in the US. So that's another incentive to start your own church and then do and say whatever is necessary to get idiots to han and over their money.

    Just like Trump. I'm surprised he hasn't started his own church.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Haven't seen this article, but why would having the president interfere in the judicial system be a good idea?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    At least three of Trump's staunchest Republican allies in Congress plan to be in Milwaukee, Wis., for Wednesday's debate, including Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Florida Reps. Matt Gaetz and Byron Donalds. Kari Lake, who lost last year's race for governor in Arizona, is also planning to travel to Milwaukee.

    Trump is assembling a bunch of sycophants to excuse him for skipping the debates

    Byron Donalds: "[V]oters deserve to see debates. The debate of ideas is part of the job."

    Kari Lake "torched" her winning democratic opponent for not debating her (alongside swipes at Biden for not debating anyone):

    MTG: "I repeatedly asked you to debate me, but you have been a coward and can't even respond. But you go on CNN and lie about me. When are you going to be an adult and actually debate me on policy instead of running your mouth like a teenage girl?"

    Matt Gaetz: "I love the idea of major power competition taking the form of debate & discourse MORE & building nuclear warheads LESS to express disagreement."




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