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Irish White Privilege......Yeah

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  • 20-08-2023 8:09pm
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    1800_Ladladlad
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    The National Council for Curriculum & Assessment (NCCA) released a new draft for the secondary SPHE curriculum that wants “white privilege,” “male privilege,” & gender ideology taught to Irish kids. In the draft curriculum it urges children to recognize their “privileged status” as a “white, male or Irish person,” & while telling them to seek positive portrayals of “LGBTQI+” gender identities in media amongst other things. We have NGOs & activists who lobbied the Irish Government with the NCCA curating content to indoctrinate children in Irish schools on gender identity and critical race theory, targeting Irish children to believe that Ireland is a systematically racist country and that our children need to feel ashamed to be white.

    Prejudice, supremacy, and privilege are not intrinsic properties of whiteness, they have existed in all cultures since time immemorial. Irish people and white people as a race do not have a collective responsibility for the US Marxist group-think imported from the U.S. Being white is an immutable characteristic, so to call me or a school child a white privileged male is not only sexist, it is racist. The people who drafted this must have missed the banning of our language, the banning of our national dress & culture, the religious persecution, the dispossession of our land, massacres, the death of a million through deliberate hunger across several centuries of colonial occupation, villages raided by barbary slavers and the partition of our country where Irish Catholics were essentially seen as inferior and their right's denied.

    These official bodies, unions, and government are fully invested in the idea that education is primarily about promoting identity politics and ‘social justice’, not knowledge or skills. instead, they abdicate their responsibilities & allow for a divisive dogma that brandishes 'whites' racists & non-whites victims. The precepts of CRT & identity politics have well and truly infected every country in the West. 'White privilege' was the last thing I ever expected to be introduced to Ireland never mind the curriculum, especially our country's history. Parents have a right to see what they are teaching their children. This needs to be nuked. Bastards.

    You can submit feedback via the online survey and via Email to sphedevelopments@ncca.ie. The consultation period ends on 18 October 2023

    Draft Senior Cycle SPHE Specification For consultation



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    hymenelectra
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    A genuine question: is there anything remotely like this in operation anywhere else in the world, even at a micro level?

    For example do the mjumbu people in walladonia have their own governments chastise their own children for mjumbu privilege?


    It is simultaneously hyper specific (as in just the one group of people on planet earth targeted) while hyper vague ("white" people, as in Germans, Irish, French, Australian, Argentinians even, with all the ludicrously different histories?)


    Imagine an educational program aimed at "asian privilege". What could that even mean? Everyone from Japanese to Indonesian? Who would be criticised? Who would it benefit, anyone that isn't asian living in Asia?

    History is going to be extremely unkind to this bizarre blip, if it doesn't also accelerate the inevitable antagonism it created.



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    cheese sandwich
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    The sort of people who are desperate to introduce US-style culture wars into Irish society are very dangerous, in my opinion.

    What makes it worse is that many of them are being paid by the Irish state to promote their divisive and alien agenda.



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    magicbastarder
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    from the link above - the last line of the OP, the only mention of privilege is this, from the glossary (quoted in full to give context)

    "Allyship skills: refers to the actions, behaviours, and practices used to support, advocate and collaborate with others, in support of justice and equity. Allyship involves recognising and using one’s privileged status (for example as white or male or Irish person) to support individuals from minority identity groups."


    methinks the lady doth protesteth too much.



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    hymenelectra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004823#Comment_121004823

    "Recognising ones privileged status (for example white or male or Irish person)"

    A lot of words, but the exact same message.

    Targeted, let's be honest, chastisement of innocent children for the fault of existing as an white or male or Irish person in...Ireland.

    The people behind this should go door to door and present themselves honestly to Irish parents about what they intend.

    I bet they won't, though. Funnily enough.



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    jackboy
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    In fairness we don't give children enough credit. A lot of them will laugh at that nonsense and recognise it for the unsophisticated bog standard propaganda it is. It will be tough on the teachers though, any of them who gives the impression they believe this stuff will lose respect of many students and parents.



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    Hurrache
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004823#Comment_121004823

    See's the word "white" and **** themselves over it. What a drama nonsense from the OP, and anyone else crying about the introduction of "culture war" or "propaganda" into our schools.



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    Len_007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121004899#Comment_121004899

    Calling something nonsense without showing why it’s nonsense, is nonsense :)



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    Goldengirl
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    Not sure if that line from The Commitments is appropriate here.. Or even allowed anymore?!



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    _Kaiser_
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    I had a quick skim through the accompanying document linked at the bottom of the OP's post, and as expected there's also the all too common now focus on genders, LBGTQ identities, and the whole idea of advocacy and "allyship" (pages 14 & 15 of the doc)

    None of this has any place in schools. The only "lesson" should be that different people will believe different things and that's OK so long as it doesn't impact on you or your own views on the topic. I certainly don't want an Americanised agenda of identity, gender and culture war politics being peddled through our schools.

    I wonder if this move to have books provided by schools (primary schools at the moment but talk of extending into secondary) isn't so much about controlling costs for parents as controlling access to the content of new books before schools start.

    A few years away yet before my son starts secondary but the way things seems to be going, parents will need to review the books themselves in advance I think.



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    Fr Tod Umptious
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    But there is such a thing as white Irish privilege here in Ireland.

    I'd add "settled" to that too.

    As a white, Irish, settled male I've had it easy in Ireland these 50+ years of my life.

    I don't get immediately judged the same way as a traveller or someone of colour would.

    We've only been anything close to a multi ethnic country for a wet week so people of colour are still viewed very differently here, whether we like it or not.

    So yeah, I've had it privileged in Ireland all my life.

    Same when I was living in the US, being white and Irish is a real bonus over there.



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    BaywatchHQ
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    Didn't the term "white" originally refer to Anglo-Saxon Protestants in America, I don't think the Irish were considered whites. That is confusing because American Scots were considered WASP yet many of them weren't of Anglo Saxon heritage.


    Anyway, none of it relates to me, I am an incel which is essentially a different race in the modern age. A good looking ethnic man will be treated with a lot more kindness than the way society has treated an incel white man like me. The film 'Joker' is a good example although that actor is too good looking to play that role.



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    Fr Tod Umptious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005102#Comment_121005102

    I'm talking about the 21st century, being white and Irish in America is handy, just like it's always been handy in Ireland itself.



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    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005078#Comment_121005078

    You should probably think about paying reparations from all the money you've made from being a white settled man to all the people you've unintentionally screwed over for the past five decades.



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    _Kaiser_
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005078#Comment_121005078

    No, you haven't.

    This ridiculous notion that current generation white people (particularly men) should feel somehow guilty, special, or responsibility for the ills of the world is absolute nonsense.

    This is even more true in Ireland which has no legacy of colonisation, slavery or persecution of others - FFS everywhere the Irish went they had to struggle and earn their place, and now we send young Irish men and women to dangerous locations on peacekeeping missions, not to mention all the other acts of charity and financial aid this country is known for.

    Even within Ireland there's huge differences in social and economic standards between different communities - and I don't mean our travelling brethren either. Have a drive around the different areas of Dublin and you'll see exactly what I mean.

    But the idea that we should feel sorry for being Irish or white is one of the most nonsensical things of the "modern" era.

    And ya, unfortunately sometimes bad things happen and feelings may be hurt, but that's life I'm afraid!

    The world is not made up of sunshine and rainbows and it is up to anyone coming here to likewise earn their place in our community and society - through integration and assimilation and embracing our culture, our way of life.. Not cry about how unfair life is and expecting allowances and accommodations to be made, or that we should adjust our own society to facilitate them.

    There's no comparison between Ireland and a country tearing itself apart for decades like the USA and we need to stop importing their problems, their divisions, their history and trying to paste it into ours where it has absolutely no place!



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    stellamere
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005078#Comment_121005078

    Most of us Irish are white, and half of them are male. If you earn the average industrial wage you are extremely "privileged" as far as every else on this planet. If you trace our history though, our ancestors were dying on the streets of starvation by the million when slavery was taking place, so their white privilege didn't count for much. We were one of the poorest countries in Europe in the 70s but good decisions by our government and hard work brought its rewards.

    Our department of education should be told to fck right off if they even thing about trying to make any kids feel guilty or ashamed as a result of their skin colour. Irish are not colonists and have been welcoming to immigrants of all creeds. This simplistic drivel has no place in schools or third level education.

    I dont believe for a minute that those pushing this bilge are motivated by compassion or empathy. They shouldn't be let near a school.



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    cdeb
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    Being white and Irish hasn't always been handy in Ireland. A look at Irish history even up to the 80s will tell you that. Lot of people here had it far from handy

    White privilege? I'm sure people in Moldova or Ukraine or Abkhazia are feeling their privilege.

    There is wealth privilege though. Always has been. It explains why we can cause so much damage to developing economies by taking their best and/or cheapest people away from them to work here instead, to help us pay for pensions we haven't earned or to help us save a quid on a pack of strawberries or to have our offices cleaned on borderline legal contracts, at high carbon cost (increasing population, huge housing builds, loads of extra unnecessary flights), all while we pat ourselves on the back about being inclusive or multi-cultural.

    And of course we don't care about the economies we're hurting, because ultimately we're only interested in ourselves.

    So have the discussion for sure. But at least let it be balanced. But if your starting point is white privilege, then it's hard to see how it will be



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    This is an attempt to introduce divisiveness into Irish society through education; to pit group identity against group identity.

    Everyone can see how damaging it has impacted US society. Anyone defending its introduction into Irish society should be treated with the very deepest of suspicion.

    They don't want "unity", they want to cause as much division as possible.

    That was always the casus belli of communism; to cause division and create revolution through that division. In the past, it was about pitting workers rights against the elite. Today, it's about pitting group identity against group identity, causing as much division as humanly possible; destroying society with the hope that socialism/communism can take root as primacy.

    The far-left beast hasn't changed, it has only changed tactics.

    It's a depraved ideology that everyone with self-awareness must consciously choose to ignore.



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    StupidLikeAFox
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    White male privilege is like playing with home advantage, it won't win you a game, it won't guarantee trophies, but it will give you a leg up.

    Irish society is predominantly white, and for this reason being white is an advantage in certain situations.

    These are simple facts, and not something I, as a white irish male, feel guilty about



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    magicbastarder
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005156#Comment_121005156

    This ridiculous notion that current generation white people (particularly men) should feel somehow guilty, special, or responsibility for the ills of the world is absolute nonsense.

    who said anything about guilt? there's a none-too-subtle difference between recognising you're in a position of privilege and feeling guilty about it. i went to a private school, and if there's one lesson that was missing from that school it was reminding the students they came from privilege.



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    Scipri0
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    What a joke! Privileged Irish people? Why are some people and groups desperate to import other countries culture wars? Are they really that stupid, or is something more sinister at play? Having various groups of people fighting amongst each other while it also takes the pressure off of government and the thing is that our taxes are being used to fund these NGOs.

    Irish people were discriminated throughout our history, not only in our own land but also in the U.S. and the UK. Any party or person that wants to run on bringing this tripe to Ireland, I would never vote for them and hope most others do likewise. The last thing we need is to blame people because of the colour of their skin, and that includes trying to use that "White Privilege" nonsense in Ireland.



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    StupidLikeAFox
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    White male privilege is like playing with home advantage, it won't win you a game, it won't guarantee trophies, but it will give you a leg up.

    Irish society is predominantly white, and for this reason being white is an advantage in certain situations.

    These are simple facts, and not something I, as a white irish male, feel guilty about



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    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005177#Comment_121005177

    There's a sizable cohort on this platform who are openly supportive of this claptrap.

    There's a thread about the National Party (Ireland's de facto far right political party) on this forum where despite all the evidence to the contrary (abysmal electoral results, public infighting in the media and a general lack of support from the public) are hell bent on pushing the idea that the far right are on the march in Ireland.

    The idea of getting out on the streets and getting involved in civil unrest between partisan groups must really appeal to these people.

    Thankfully save for a few skirmishes between tiny groups of far left and far right loons around Leinster House on very rare occasions Ireland hasn't played host to a lot of this type of nonsense.

    We need to be mindful of the far right and their insidious agenda without a doubt, but the loons on the other end of the political spectrum are already setting the agenda with the type of nonsense outlined in the OP.

    Ireland isn't a horrible place full of racism and or intolerance, a tiny number of people will exist in any society who hold regressive opinions, but they don't represent the majority and we need to stop acting like they do.



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    Blut2
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    Ireland was Britain's longest held colony, suffering severely under colonialism for almost 800 years. With multiple genocides committed during that time that killed up to 50% of our population.

    Its still within living memory plenty of places in the world having "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" style discrimination. Its only in the last 20 odd years that we haven't been regarded as poor, ignorant peasant farmers on the edge of Europe by most of the world.

    The idea that Irish people have benefited from white privilege is something only someone with no knowledge of history, a deliberate agenda to drive, or both, would say. Its ridiculous.



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    US culture war politics is about dividing people against each other.

    Look at how people are already dividing themselves against each other on this thread.

    It's a sinister ideology. Those promoting it are laughing at how much division they're causing.



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    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005210#Comment_121005210

    Cite an example then.



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    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005217#Comment_121005217

    You put it better than I ever could. That's the situation in a nutshell.



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    nullzero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005203#Comment_121005203

    I'm a white male from Ireland, I didn't go to a private school, didn't have a privileged upbringing in any way shape or form.

    If you really believe the privilege you enjoyed is mirrored in the faces of other white men in Ireland simply because your skin is the same colour that private education wasn't worth the money.



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    Fr Tod Umptious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005217#Comment_121005217

    Ireland isn't a horrible place full of racism and or intolerance

    Look at the way travellers are judged by the vast majority in this country and you'll see that it is a place full of racism and intolerance.



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    Fr Tod Umptious
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005193#Comment_121005193

    Totally agree

    And I don't feel guilty about it either, I just know it's a fact of life and I'm happy to take advantage of it.



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005235#Comment_121005235

    To suggest that "white people" are "generally privileged" is racist; in the same way that we should never generalize black people on the same basis.

    Race has no place in these discussions. Those that demand we divide people on race grounds are the true racists.



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