General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

I’m pretty sure the Saudis would quite like us to call Newcastle that.

I mean look at their away kit:

To be fair, the club has been/is being run by idiots for a long time now. Hopefully the negative response that this is generating will make them rethink the Greenwood decision. I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't.

Pathetic is what it is…..

If this is true, he could be in big trouble. Would this be classified as match fixing, or spot-fixing?

I think it’s important, in the absence of proper oversight from UEFA and the PL, that we recognise City* most likely broke many rules to win their titles. And as for Newcastle/Saudi, it is a sportswashing operation so I’ll call it what it is.

Some interesting posts online about another PL player and how he may have treated his partner.

Who respects or wants the owners of city or Newcastle involved in football? Since PIF took over Newcastle there has been nothing but criticism for the PL for allowing it to happen.

Not sure what point you're trying to make either. Because there’s been inconsistencies with how issues like this have been dealt we that people should then just ignore the Greenwood issue and pretend like it never happened and welcome back to football with open arms?

United. Ex wife has made reports to police. Apparently club doctors were involved and actually treated her.

I do agree as a society we are terrible at addressing abuse and corruption issues. If some asked me for an example I'd use the Greenwod situation as a perfect example that shows how bad we are at dealing with abuse.

Until those individual situations change, society won't change. That's why so much energy goes into one moment, because one moment has the ability to compeletey change a situation or dynamic forever, or at the very least shine and spotlight on it to an extent that hasn't happened before.

Take Rosa Parks sitting at the front of the bus. It would have been easy to ignore that and complain how that's only one moment and shouldn't be viewed as being that important and black people were on the receiving end of much worse treatment than having to sit at the back of the bus so we shouldn't focus on this one moment. It should be obviously why that happening would have been terrible.

No problem. As I said, I completely with what you are saying as well. But I do understand why people find it easier to latch onto individual moments rather than abstract situations. I put that down to the limited brain capacity more than anything else. When it comes to everything, humans struggle to understand more abstract concepts or situations solely portrayed using stats or data.

I understand about expanding a topic, but the reality is the rape apologists and Greenwood defneders will use a very similar argument that you have to justify United keeping him or how he hasn't really done anything wrong. Wanting to have a wide discussion on bow society deals with abuse to women but doing it on the back of an individual situation is always going to be risky.

But always a good discussion to open up anyway, even if you catch a bit of unfair flack or criticism for it.