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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Iker Wrong Trainer


    An awful lot of people would have it on in the background if they are pottering about the household. I have an old fashioned but excellent Sony radio, whose sound is not surpassed by anything else I have, it stays on low, too much trouble for me to make the effort of switching it off, and I want to catch the news etc either side of it. It’s on by default, a buzz of sound in the background whilst I do practical things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,568 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    So now Tubridy and RTE want us to focus on the waived 120k fee, and forget about the 200k+ or so he took for the bogus Renault gigs and underwriting of, paid for by RTE, and all the various costs of staging them and the barter account.

    The 120k fee is a distraction.

    He's been repeatedly complicit in suspicious side deals with RTE. How on earth can he be trusted going forward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,568 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I'd wager its far more than 50%. The consensus is the staff in RTE are disgusted and angry, especially anyone who had to take a cut or pay-freeze, which I would image is the majority. A lot of RTE people interviewed have said they are sad and angry.

    Has even a single RTE person apart from the board come out in support of Tubridy? (Noel Kelly clients don't count).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Who is in a position to verify Tubridy's claims that he's received lot of letters and cards and messages of support? What does that even mean? A half dozen a week to Montrose, who would know his home address off the top of their head. Or hundreds/ thousands of letters? It's meaningless.

    I did write to him care of Donnybrook and advised him that he had deceived the public and to go. Did Tubridy count these letters too??

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 8,365 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    who would know his home address off the top of their head

    They would just address them to The Toyman 📬😏 Dublin.

    Like letters to Santa...



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  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When you are in his position or say a musician for example, mistakes hurt , they reverberate through your bones and cause pain , but civilians don’t notice and when they approach and say well done it’s confusing because all you think about are the mistakes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Ironically the true master of conversation and putting guests at ease, Michael Parkinson, passed away today.

    Watch his Muhammed Ali interview if you can, he just lets Ali ramble on. Tubridy would have shut him down whilst watching the clock tick down.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    RIP Parkie, a master of the art. The Michelangelo to Tubridy's painter/decorator!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Ah, that's totally unfair.

    Having their biggest ratings winner and critical success back on the airways has to be very good for RTE, which is good for people working there. I can't believe many people think Ryan has no decency or integrity, he's clearly a gentleman. Comparing his personality to Putin is surely a bit much, even for Boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Where is the critical success? In fairness even Gay Byrne didn't get much critical success.

    I think there is somewhere in-between on the feelings about Tubs. He's not my cup of tea and thinking critical without my own bias I don't believe he is the greatest chat show host in the world or in Ireland for that matter, and the same goes for his radio presentation.

    There are things I love but I know critically and from a mass media level they would not be considered good by others, I can also see when other like something but its clearly not something that is either critically good or good for what it is, I am happy to like such things and happy for others to like their preferences.

    There are even things critically acclaimed that I am happy that I will never get but I can see why it is critically successful.

    I think TLLS and his radio show would have they audience that they have had even if he wasn't presenting, certainly people haven't turned off.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭sxt


    RT is knee deep in well wishing cards and letters every week. He will be up to his neck in cards and gifts and flowers and board games on his first day back in Montrose!

    He will will start with a 30 second apology and then 30 mins of thanking everyone for their well wishes and gifts : vomit:

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    There appears to be a lot of misreporting regarding the €120,000 that was not paid to Tubridy. I don't know whether it's deliberate or because journalists haven't bothered to read the Grant Thornton report. Two important points from the report:

    First, the €120,000 was for additional services that were not called upon and therefore not delivered during the period. The report gives examples of additional one-off specials on the Late Late and an additional TV series of eight 52 minute shows.

    Second, the agreement to waive the fee was made as part of the back-and-forth of negotiations for his current contract period - so it was "quid pro quo", and not an act of charity by Tubridy. The concession would have helped prop up the fees he demanded for the period from 2020 onwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Not so much off topic, but in keeping with the license fee protests.

    Something I've noticed for the last few weeks are a real, genuine decline in sales of the Rte Guide. Every week, I try to get it's rival magazine, Tv Now for a family member. (They like the articles , features, and knowing what programmes are gonna be on for the week). But for the last several weeks, it's been difficult to get. Sometimes requires me to got to several newsagents to find a copy.

    Initially I assumed it was just print declining, but then other Tv guides were in short/ scarce supply. And yet there were stacks of unsold Rte Guides. Multiple stores, newsagents I went to...Tv now sold out. 4 large piles of Rte Guides I spotted in one supermarket. Unsold. And this was on a Friday, so the magazine's were gonna stay on the shelf or get pulped. Then there was one or two copies of Tv Now.

    It feels like a mini protest on behalf of consumers who may pay the license fee, to avoid conviction, but are leaving the overpriced Guide on the shelf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,740 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Is that different monies to the 'loyalty' bonus?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    For those looking for his viewing figures over the years these figures give an idea, they don't include speicals such as Toy Show, C&W Show etc.;

    He was regularly getting 750,000 back in 2010, peaking at 830,000 (not including specials). https://marketing.ie/late-late-figures-up-again/

    By 2022 it was in the 350,000 - 440,000 range. To lose 10-20% of your viewers is careless, to lose half is gross incompetence.

    Brendan O'Connor's Saturday night show was regularly beating Tubridy by 2015, he took over from Tubridy in 2010. They were both hitting the 500,000 viewers at this stage. https://goss.ie/gallery/chat-show-war-brendan-oconnor-pulling-in-more-viewers-than-ryan-tubridy-on-late-late-show-26529

    And Tommy Tiernan was beating him in 2021 in his 5th year of the show. https://evoke.ie/2021/03/30/entertainment/tommy-tiernan-overtakes-the-late-late-show-with-highest-ratings

    Both Tiernan and O'Connor had their shows in slots that would not be as desirable and would not have such a head start on viewers as the Friday night LLS would have.

    Yes, the past 10 years has bought the biggest change in viewing habits since the advent of TV, with far more stuff being available on demand, as well as the rise of Netflix, YouTube etc., but it's a bigger drop than any other programme of its type. RTE heads just didn't want to know this and that is suspicious in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Undelivered services to the value of €120,000 were offset against an exit fee of the same value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    "Did Tubridy count these letters too??"

    Only if the envelope was brown...old FF habits etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    :/ Not sure of this reading: -

    1. RTÉ failed to produce their annual list of top earners wages, this is because of the exit fee.
    2. RTÉ agreed an exit fee of €120k, which tubs was entitled to, but RTÉ in their negotiations suggested that they shouldn't pay it due to work not done, NKM disagreed with this interpretation but it was used by RTÉ in contracting for the next 5 year period so it was agreed it would be waived.
    3. All along RTÉ are trying to show that they have successfully reigned in the earnings of the top presenters, when clearly they never do.
    4. RTÉ made the mistake of thinking that the two 50k's and the 20k had been added to his earnings and were only delighted to removed them from the over 500k he actually earned.
    5. But what's even more annoying is that the only reason RTÉ were not producing the top earners on an annual basis was because of these exit fees.
    6. For example if Claire Byrne's contract for the 5 years included an exit fee, RTÉ would have added that exit fee across those 3 years, rather than the final year when she received the fee, this is a crazy way of looking at the figures.
    7. Therefore the 40% reduction in the past decade or so has large come from the exit of Pat Kenny, the retirement of Sean O'R and the deaths of Gerry Ryan and Marian F.
    8. It was always RTÉ Management's decision to focus on these cuts and to show that these cuts were being made, when clearly they never made as big a cuts as they wanted us to believe they did.
    9. IMO Kevin Bakurst was part of this deception, as he was present for the publication of Gerry's and Pat's earnings.
    10. Tubs role was that he never declared otherwise, either because he wasn't aware of what had happened and didn't read the list or because he knew, either way he was not doing anything illegal.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Funny you should say that. My inlaws always asked me to pick up the RTE guide. Since this scandal theyve wanted TV Now instead.

    We wont be paying the TV license fee ever again either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,740 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    We were told he was the most "beloved broadcaster" in the history of 21st century broadcasting???

    We were told he was RTE's "star attraction"?

    Utterly BAFFLING.

    Were they LIES?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Based on the comments about the RTE Guide and the licence fee protest, it seems that the RTE brand itself is becoming toxic.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Iker Wrong Trainer


    Inotherwords the usual magnolia listeners have been switching to podcasts by influencers, whilst those looking for serious & intelligent currents coverage are sticking to the longest name in such broadcasting in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Mister RTE must be very upset. Every show that the gombeen management of RTE gave him subsuquently lost viewers or listeners. His career has been one of perpetual failure. It is curious that there were no expressions of interest from real broadcasters when Tubridy was removed from RTE. Even Radio Norwich wasn't interested.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,740 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes inexplicable if all the things "we were told" about Tubridy's broadcasting talents were true that an American network hasn't come in offering him a global opportunity.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A: He hasn't the talent for US TV.

    B: He hasn't the face for US TV (facial symmetry is important).

    C: US TV stations are commerical broadcasters and are not supported by a licence fee.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There is no reliable feedback loop in "measuring" radio listenership. It is carried out using a similar methodology to opinion polling with a sample from the population that is supposed to be representative of the population.

    Podcasts have a completely different audience in that the listener has to consciously select the podcast and actively listen to it when they want to listen to it. Unlike a radio programme, the podcast listener chooses when they want to listen. Podcasts are not background noise like Tubridy or most radio programmes.

    The number of people who would actively choose to listen to Tubridy is much, much lower than the number on whom he would be inflicted as background noise.

    Regards...jmcc

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Trampas


    If you target the right people you get the right answer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    When institutions in this country disgrace themselves they eventually get rid of the public faces of their downfall and then carry on regardless

    this place is bringing back the chief protagonist of their scandal

    is it pure arrogance or complete stupidity?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Windowsnut


    Pure arrogance, very similar to uk politics at the moment.

    “we know better than you, we are your betters, how dare you challenge us”mentality.

    my renewal is in October, I will be removing all superheterodyne receivers and replacing them with monitors before then.

    let “Thane direct” pay his wages…



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