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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    More a question who on the team would be still left standing at that stage.

    Game against SA and Tonga ..potential knockout against the Scotland..

    Players will be putting their season/careers on the line for such 1/4 final game.

    It's why there are questions whether they have the size and depth to withstand this.

    Past winners have had far more comfortable opposition in the 1/4s ..that is guaranteed not to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 TheRestorationOfPeter


    Only Irish winger to ever reach 100 caps?

    To put that in context the next closest is Trimble on 70 caps


    How about the oldest centurion winger in International rugby ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Meh they are both a bit loose, second one is a bit interesting if true but neither are that noteworthy really.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,519 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    as an aside, the second one wont last long if Touda plays for Georgia in the RWC, and Earls doesnt travel. But fair dues to him if he gets that record on Saturday.

    But delighted for him, he fully deserves it, and if he plays on saturday i hope he has a worldy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Absolutely, I’m delighted for him great player and seems a decent bloke too. I think he’ll travel and pick up one or two more caps too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020


    So IRFU want rassie to replace Nucifora



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,519 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    nope, its reported that rassie is one name on a list. Theres no indication that Rassie is the preferred option, and to be honest, there would be many better options out there (eg Joe Schmidt)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭Rugbymad2020


    Well from my contact who is the same life who told me months before anyone had any idea that rassie was leaving Munster has told me they want him bad!take from that what u will.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,519 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ill take it as an anecdote, until the IRFU announce who the replacement will be.

    If he ends up being the best man for the job, so be it, but im not sure "oversight of all coaching, medical, sports science, athletic performance, performance analytics and coach and player development staff" plays to Rassies best strengths, which i view as being coaching on the pitch and in the dressing room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,933 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    That would not be a popular decision. I'd be disgusted by it, for one.

    I'll take it with a pinch of salt for the moment mind you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    And hopefully add to his record try scorer at RWC haul, he's sitting on 8 now.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't consider the IRFU that incompetent or careless so I'm choosing to believe it's nonsense until proven otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    And none were scored when playing right wing!

    I thought he would get the 100th cap v Romania. I suppose he still will be in the squad now.

    BOD and POC have 17 RWC appearances. Earls has 14, Healy 13, Murray 13, Sexton 12 & Henderson 9.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I fancy the southern hemisphere teams to do well again, they always do. I think having the Rugby Championship a few months before the World Cup is perfect preparation for them and gives them an advantage. An extremely intense competition under their belt while the Northern teams are left playing fairly low intensity tests in the build up.

    This is why I think we could struggle against SA or NZ, but I'm hoping to be proved wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I'd be interested to know when did he tell you? Most of us suspected when he had his lawyer deny it in Jan '17.

    Then Erasmus himself said this in Feb "When that happens there is always a lot of speculation around different coaches. I am definitely not in the mix there."

    It was in March that he gave the IRFU his notice.

    Despite repeatedly denying he was leaving after Saracens loss in April, most knew by May he was out the gap. The story was released to press at seasons end in Jun '17.


    Nucifora was perfectly independent for the Performance Director role. If the IRFU wanted somebody charismatic and utterly ruthless then Erasmus ticks that box. However, the fact that he is completely untrustworthy and a bit of a headbanger would be a problem!

    I hope its Joe Schmidt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,784 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It's a definitely a massive benefit to the RC teams, they come in more battle hardened than the 6Ns team get to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I'd prefer a Conor O'shea type personality myself over Rassie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    He let Niall Scannell go on live television and state that he (Rassie) was staying and had told the squad. If he treats his own players like that, I'd rather have him nowhere near the set up.

    "It's brilliant that Rassie is staying around. It's brilliant for our club and it's brilliant for Irish rugby - the players he is bringing through and the confidence he has given us."

    Asked what a relief it was for the players to know the South African was committing himself to Munster, Scannell replied:

    "There was a lot of speculation but Rassie clarified it to us [that he was staying] a couple of weeks ago."



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,584 ✭✭✭fitz


    The guy is poisonous, I'd be disgusted if the IRFU brought him onboard.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be honest , one of the things that helped Nucifora was the fact that he had zero connection to Irish Rugby prior to coming on board.

    Having someone that has a previous connection leaves them open to all kinds of claims of bias/favouritism etc.

    Nucifora was able to be an equal opportunity bollocks to everyone.

    As an aside ,someone once described Nucifora to me as "the most aggressively Australian person" they had ever met.

    And I knew exactly what they meant... :-)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,784 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I wouldn't welcome a further influx of South African influence into our game tbh. Very on the fence with Nienbarr coming to Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Other than being a seemingly nice bloke and a good media performer, it is really hard to see what Conor O'Shea has achieved in concrete terms.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah I'm not sure what I'm missing with Conor O'Shea but his track record looks pretty poor on paper



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Well currently Conor holds a very similar if not almost identical role with the English Rugby Union.

    He is "Executive Director of Performance Rugby for the RFU, Conor O’Shea is responsible for the leadership, management and strategic direction of professional rugby in England. With the aim to support long-term sustainable success at international level, he manages the England player, coaching and match officials pathways across men’s and women’s 15s and Sevens programmes"

    While you might just focus on recent results of the men's team.

    He now has 3 years experience in this role which has dealt with a number of challenges. Covid, losing a number of clubs from the premiership(which I think is outside his remit).

    He was also involved i getting rid of a the head coach a year out from a world cup when results weren't deemed to be good enough.

    The womans professional game has come on leaps and bounds during his tenure finishing second in the last World cup and winning the last 5 6 nations. Could the same be said for the womans game under Nucifora in Ireland??



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to O'Shea , 3 years isn't a lot of time and the added constraints of the club system make the work he does difficult.

    Ireland are now seeing the consistent outcomes from 10+ years of work establishing the structures and academy pathways etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,584 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Prior to Rassie taking a very public spat at referees the IRFU might have him on a short list of candidates but I'm not sure they'd employ him now. Though his role would be one step removed from refs, citing commissions, etc.

    Overall, I think he has a great rugby brain and could be a great replacement to Nucifora.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    He was also involved i getting rid of a the head coach a year out from a world cup when results weren't deemed to be good enough.

    Are you listing this as a compliment or a criticism?



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No matter how you want to twist it, the results of the men's team is number one priority for all unions, and England are performing dreadfully.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nucifora is basically never in the media, but I just don't think you could trust Rassie to do the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,584 ✭✭✭✭phog


    When Nucifora was a head coach was he in the media?

    Would a likeable guy like Conor O'Shea be in the media more than Nucifora was if he got the role



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