General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

So Arsenal sign Raya for about £30m and Chelsea sign Sanchez for £25m but word is that they still are in the market for a first choice keeper. Why didn’t Chelsea just get Raya? Unless Raya has been told he’ll be first choice at Arsenal?

It just shows how difficult a job a ref has in football .

Half the replies here are "definitely a pen", the other half are "not a pen for me".

So even with slo mo, and 10 different camera angles, and 24hrs to review it, we still have different opinions.

So even with VAR, it still can come down to a matter of opinion.

in my opinion, Onana is clearly the aggressor in what you describe as the '50/50'.

the incident, for me, akin to a pass from a player into the middle of the pitch, two Wolves players are waiting for the pass, moving onto the ball slow-ish. then Casemiro comes in much faster and more aggressively, misses the ball, runs into the first player (who didn't touch the ball, and the Wolves player wasn't necessarily going to get it), but the second Wolves player does get a touch on the ball, but nothing comes of it, and there is no advantage. that's a foul.

i promise you, i don't care enough about this to argue too vehemently. that's just how I see it. i say again, Wolves shouldn't have needed the penalty, and not getting something from the game is primarily their fault.

and I agree with NIMAN, it probably does show how difficult it is for referees. but it shows how difficult it is to discuss decisions around, in particular, Utd and Liverpool. anyone who says it's a penalty is automatically labeled a bandwagoner or bitter (I know you didn't call me that yourself), and anyone who says it's 100% not a penalty, 'they're just United fans - of course they'd say that'. the same thing happened with the Jackson handball shout in Chelsea/Liverpool.

there comes a point where you just leave people to how they see it.

To be fair to the ref, there was an earlier penalty decision he had to make in the one where Rashford (I think?) headed the ball towards goal and the defender blocked it with his hand. The defender was deemed too close to the attacker to move out of the way in time, while having his hands tucked in neatly. Whether this is a rule change, or an increase in consistency etc, whatever, the referee made the same decision as a similar incident on Sunday and said no penalty. Consistency there.

Late on in the game, Dawson went down very easily in the Man Utd penalty box. He wanted a penalty. I won't say he dived, as there was some contact, but there was not enough contact to warrant a foul. I think the referee was right here in both not awarding a penalty, and not giving a yellow card as it was not a blatant dive IMO. A coming together. So again, credit where it is due.

I think he got the last one wrong though, and naturally that is where all the attention will go. Especially given that it had the most chance of affecting a game result given the timing of it. If the referees came out and gave their reasoning behind the decisions, it would be more understanding but they don't. They can't use the 'I didn't see it' line now as that puts the pressure on VAR who are now hiding behind the 'using the on field referee's decision' line in a constant cycle. PMGOL obviously thing he was completely wrong as they have stood down the referee & VAR team.

De Bruyne ruled out for three or four months, just to give other teams a sliver of a chance.

Can you stop equating the Spurs incident.

The Brentford player got his shot away and collided with an on rushing keeper as is natural. The utd keeper ran ten yards and left one on a player

I think they showed a replay on MNF and commented that Onana took his eye off the ball mid air and was looking at the wolves player when he took him out, so that’s why they think it should have been a penalty.

If he only had his eye on the ball the whole time you could argue it was accidental.

You would swear it was as bad a challenge as that with way some are throwing the toys out of the pram over no pen. Probably helps to deflect away from there own clubs problems

The campaign to show more respect to referees took a bad hit today….referees make a mistake and they stood down….Probably was a penalty.

Harry Maguire looking for £7m to leave Utd. He’s dead right too.

Stop on. Do your job correctly and you will get respect.

Referees are barely blowing for a penalty at all anymore. Simply waiting for VAR to do it and the less said about VAR the better. The referee in Brighton Luton made two penalty decisions himself so fair play to him but referees having the balls to make the call themselves now are few and far between.

I agree it should be a penalty.

But you are ignoring the fact keepers get away with clattering into opponents without getting the ball ALL THE TIME, in a way no outfield player would. So the argument of 'put an outfied players shirt on' is just as moronic a stance as 'X wasn't given'.