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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Harping back to a well-known and financially-costly deal Trump engineered to get hold of the US Postal Service Washington head office [allegedly with the co-operation of the gent he appointed to run the USPS] and change it into a Trump hotel, that was clear evidence he was not going to do much drainage work in Washington. It was one of his deals that didn't work for him. The gent concerned didn't do what most political appointees do when the admin changes hands and stayed put in the USPS after Biden took over from Trump, an over-holder, so to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    But one thing I've noticed over the last decade is that the days of ''It's the economy ,stupid'' seem to be over. Many people seem to be agitated by political partisanship and Culture War issues to the degree that they are either ignoring the economy, are blind to it or think other things are more important. The Die Hard MAGA community would either claim the economy was better under Trump even if it was visibly flourishing or else they think secondary or tertiary issues are, contrary to most people's notions of common sense, more important. No matter how high employment is or how low inflation is, there are millions of people who believe that the ''Crimes'' of the Bidens, abortion, the ''crisis'' at the southern border, Drag Queen ''groomers'' , guns, China, the ''persecution'' of Trump and ''weaponization'' of the DoJ are more vital issues. It seems strange, but then millions of Americans have taken leave of their senses over the last ten years. Obama was right; there is a group for whom God and Guns override everything. There was an article from a few years ago where the reporter talked to some people in a decaying Rust Belt community. They admitted that they thought Trump probably would'nt fix anything but they loved him anyway. They shrugged their shoulders at opiate abuse, urban decay, unemployment and dropping life expectancy but some became very exercised by what most of us would regard as trivialities and non-issues, like Black athletes 'taking the knee'.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yup, agree. I think people are still claiming that the economy is the most important thing, but their actual view of the economy is driven almost entirely by partisan opinion than any observable metric. Which means you have people screaming the economy is the most important thing and that the economy is terrible when that is observably false. I don't know how you really counteract that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Trump charged yet again

    In Georgia this time



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    And as it's not federal he can't get a pardon for it from a VP or similar; Georgia's requirement for pardons is a board reviewing the case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The [5 member] Georgia State Board of Pardons and Parole is appointed by the State Governor [which is Brian Kemp]. The board decides itself which of the 5 members will be the chairman of the board and votes via closed ballot. I don't know whether its a simple majority or a unanimous vote which determines the outcome. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=18c5533041d8f1cdJmltdHM9MTY5MjA1NzYwMCZpZ3VpZD0xYTRlZWZkZC1mYjU5LTZkZmItMzVkMi1lMDI2ZmY1OTZmMzAmaW5zaWQ9NTIwNQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=1a4eefdd-fb59-6dfb-35d2-e026ff596f30&psq=Who+sets+up+a+pardon+review+board+in+the+US+state+of+Georgia&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9wYXAuZ2VvcmdpYS5nb3YvYWJvdXQ&ntb=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,806 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's like Biden is acting like he has a duty of care not to allow Trump to be President, but if the people vote him in as President, is that not what the people want. It makes no sense to be trying to stop him running/winning, all this is playing into his hands, as its as clear as day what Biden is doing, and it's clear as day by the jump in the polls towards Trump, that the people don't like this. How did America become Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It didn’t, Biden isn’t doing this despite what you’ve been told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,471 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Biden is one of those true democrats (small d) stopping Trump from his attempts to turn American into Russia. An America in which Trump can overturn legitimate election results and use the power of the Presidency to enrich himself and his cronies, to put himself above the law, to sexually assault women with immunity, to use the law as a weapon against his political enemies.

    To take just one charge against Trump, on the classified documents - 48% polled thought the charges were legitimate. Only 35% disagreed.

    You seem to assume there is some grand scheme to stop Trump winning, as opposed to a citizen being charged of crimes for which there is evidence he is guilty.

    If you have evidence Biden is behind all the charges against Trump, bearing in mind there are multiple state level and federal investigations into Trump, post away.

    If you have any evidence Trump is innocent of the charges against him, post away.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    a) this is a profoundly poor understanding of the separation between the federal DOJ and the states. Biden has literally nothing to do with the latest indictment. Though there are so many it's hard to keep track.

    b) it doesn't stop him running and is not about stopping him running. Nothing stops you running from president from a jailcell. Its about holding people to account for their crimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Maybe if Trump had accepted the initial loss to Biden with a little more grace amd not done his redneck coup and then defrauded his cult of 250 million (to stop the steal!) then he wouldn't be in the precarious scenario that he is now.

    Trump has done so much shady stuff over the last few decades its as good time as any to hold him responsible.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    this is exhausting. Biden has zero control over a state level indictment

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I also find it funny that some people think there’s a conspiracy needed to stop Trump winning. The same guy who lost in a landslide 3 years ago.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,806 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    They're already mentioning a plead deal '' don't run, and it all goes away''

    SAD



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is incoherent.

    Who has mentioned a plea deal? do you even know who has the authority to arrange a plea deal? You realise there are multiple indictments all under different jurisdictions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm waiting to see what Rudy's lawyer will do now that his client has been indicted. A few days ago he dismissed a comparison of his client with another of Trump's lawyer-advisors, the Kraken Lady, as outrageous. Unless they are playing some bluff to fool the media outlets, it looks like those on the Trump indicted list may be opting for solo defences and throwing others on the list under the bus as possible jail time is coming nearer.

    A US TV interview of GOP voters shown earlier tonight had some sticking with Trump come rain or snow but others not so, due to what's been revealed about Trumps acts. One gent said he would vote for Trump to be the nominee, but probably not in the Presidential election if more came out. He said that in that case, he would vote for another person to be the nominee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    How did the US tend to become like Russia where the presidency and the election are very visibly fixed? Possibly when the man very friendly with Putin and the other Russian who took to swapping the offices of Russian president and Russian premier to enable Putin hold on to office decided he'd like to fix up something similar for himself in the US by trying to rig up a faked election for himself after the US electorate used their free votes to elect Joe Biden into the presidency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems that lawyers fees in connection with his legal problems and challenges are beginning to put the bite on Rudy's finances. He's reportedly put his NYC apartment on the market for circa $6.5 Million.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Well for some bizar reason he needs to pay $20k a month to maintain his documents required for discovery etc. and on top of that pay another 17k to 23k for each search through them for discovery (his laywers claims submitted to the court). He went to Trump pleading for him to help pay his defence costs but Trump (as always) refuses to cough up any money if he can avoid to. He agreed to pay late payments on his storage ($320k) but nothing more... I'd argue he makes a great target to flip on Trump but then again with Rudi on your side in a case he'll most likely tell the inconvenient truths anyway in true Rudi fashion...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He really has become the poster child for "Everything Trump Touches Dies" hasn't he?

    Go back ~15 years and Giuliani had this pretty decent legacy about his prosecutions of the New York Mafia and how he helped bring people together in the aftermath of 9/11 as Mayor.

    Then he got involved with Trump and now his legacy is as a pathetic ,penniless loon that has lost his law license and is probably going to jail for trying to overthrow a democratic election.

    E.T.T.D.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Don't forget there's a key event between 'hero of 9/11' and getting involved with Trump.

    I think his failed 2008 presidential bid was probably the key event which soured him and made him what he is today - he started as clear front-runner for the Rep nomination on a wave of popularity (and with socially liberal policies that made him reasonably acceptable to Democrats) and ended up not even making it as far as Super Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Always wonder what happened to these people. Was he always hiding craziness or something that has popped out in old age?


    You hear so many stories of formally fine people going down these rabbit holes and coming out bitter and full of hatred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    its as clear as day what Biden is doing,

    Clear as day? Really? Evidence please.

    And you might tell us why so many Trump contacts where investigated, charged, prosecuted and convicted by Republicans some of whom were appointed by Trump to lead the DoJ or other organisations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    That sounds extraordinary on the face of it, almost as if its a routine he has to follow for taxation claim reasons. If the prosecutors have [most of] them already for prosecution reasons at state or federal level, he'd be better off doing a deal with them and have them do the securing of the documents free of charge and serve discovery documents in court on them when he needs the documents for his defence team. Maybe I'm being a bit naive in that line of thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,794 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I keep saying this in relation to Giuliani, but he wasn't ever that popular amongst a lot of New Yorkers. His popularity outside of that state, and especially the city, was carefully stage managed and largely the product of other people. In many ways he tried to use 9/11 as a booster for his own ends and the work he did tackling the various crime families was mostly carried out by thousands of other people who weren't in the limelight.

    Rudi's great at spotting an edge for himself and no doubt believed that he could ride the coat tails of the Trump freak show. But he failed to recognise that it was never going to be about him and Donald wasn't ever going to let anyone else take the stage in a meaningful manner.

    Simply put, Giuliani was probably always a self aggrandizing cunt and he's just been caught out this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As witch-hunts go, Trump should use his noggin and condemn [by use of smart wording] the woman in Texas who allegedly called the Washington courthouse and threatened the life of Judge Chutkan "you are in our sights, we want to kill you" if he wants to get ahead of the posses tailing him. The woman concerned allegedly used racist words to describe the judge during her interface with the court. The woman has been placed in arrest by the police in connection with her vocal threat against Judge Chutkan.

    It's whether he would be wise enough to let his lawyers be his mouthpieces on this and keep his own mouth and thoughts private that will tell, whether a journalist asks the right way to get a self-harming quote from the horses mouth. Trump has his own internet platform to provide the public with his feelings on that.

    In this era of dirty tricks, I wonder about the truth and reliability of reports of a alleged leak of the identities and home addresses of the Fulton County Grand Jury members on the internet as a leak of this kind would be useful for more than one participant in the Trump debacle.

    Further to the above about heeding advice from his lawyers, Trump has cancelled a press conference he planned for next week to release what he had claimed is "new evidence" of voter fraud in the 2020 Georgia election. “Rather than releasing the Report on the Rigged & Stolen Georgia 2020 Presidential Election on Monday, my lawyers would prefer putting this, I believe, Irrefutable & Overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud & Irregularities in formal Legal Filings as we fight to dismiss this disgraceful Indictment," Trump wrote on his social media site Thursday in announcing his reversal.

    My read on this example of Trump complying with his lawyers advice is that they told him they would walk away from him by way of a request to the court to be allowed come off record as his defence lawyers if he went ahead with his news conference. I note his use of the self descriptive "I believe" term in his online statement, not a "we" at that part of his statement.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Trump cancelling that press conference is a rare moment of common sense, nothing good was coming out it from his POV and for once has listened to his attorneys.

    On Guliani, difficult to have much pity because someone who has known Trump for so long should know loyalty is a one way street with him.

    Interesting though how the other idiots will do regarding these charges, Trump will milk the hillbillies for donations but the rest will be nervous.

    Jenna Ellis for example who was all in "stop the steal" is so screwed its unreal. She made the error of supporting RDS so Trumps team have hammered her non stop and now has to beg for legal fees. Hopefully she can get some sort of revenge though in the next year or so though.


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/broke-lawyers-rudy-giuliani-and-jenna-ellis-prove-trump-will-never-run-out-of-marks-to-con



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The news that Trump has accused Fox News of conspiring against his re-election campaign with its use of a orange-coloured photo image which he doesn't like must sound like music to his opponents ears. Accompanying that is his declining to take part in the Fox News debate between the other GOP members liking to run for the nomination and letting people know he'll be interviewed by Tucker Carlson instead might, just might, mean there is clear unbridgeable water between him and Fox News Corp and he will be relying on his own internet media site to spread his views on politics and everything else, as he knows it. I'm mindful that a week in politics is a long time.



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