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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    A pool exit and they may as well all retire from international rugby



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    LOL. About the only reasonable response.

    For the record, ours was the most dominant 6N win in history (argument to be made for 2003 I'll grant you)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    We peaked in NZ but won a Grand Slam? Do you realize how ridiculous that is. Even though that’s probably the most sensible part of the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Australia were going solidly under Rennie but they're in serious trouble now. 4/4 defeats under Eddie Jones, a different captain every game, almost all the experienced players tossed aside and now a very inexperienced side with some never even capped going to the RWC.

    It's a squad in complete disarray and I'm looking forward to see how far they can sink.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Injury free game is what I most want.

    Second most want is beat England physically. Forget the fancy moves, just make them puke with exertion and on the back foot all the time.

    The set moves can wait until the world cup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭flatface


    Serious question, do you enjoy rugby? I’m finding your negativity of the Irish team hard to understand, maybe you are a fan of a different team and that is colouring your view? Ireland are going through a period of unprecedented success, you seem to be missing out on all the fun of the journey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    Looking at the Samoa game I would prob expect to see another strong squad named which will replicate the team named against Tonga. Then I would like to see rotation against Romania for squad morale more so rather than anything else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    There's critical thinkers and then there's contrarians. Contrarians always seem to think they are the other.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    With France's injury news, I have us as very warm favourites now. New Zealand are **** scared of us. We battered them mentally last year. I'm ruling out South Africa, England and Australia. They are poor teams. This world cup is in our hands!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭TRC10


    So "ultimately be remembered for how it performs at the world cup"? Hyberbolic nonsense.

    Eh, not it's not. Every team is ultimately remembered for how it performs at the World Cup, on the biggest stage where the opposition is toughest as it's what everyone builds towards.

    Would the English '03 team that won a grand slam and won in NZ be remembered as one of the great teams if they hadn't won the World Cup? Of course not.

    The 2011-15 New Zealand team is regarded as arguably the best rugby team of all time. Would they be viewed in that manner had they not won a World Cup?. Obviously not.

    Does anybody care or even remember that NZ won the Tri Nations in 2007? Nope, because SA won the World Cup.

    The reality is that tier one nations are ultimately judged on World Cup performance. And if Ireland don't at least get past the quarter finals this year, those great achievements over the last couple of years will just be viewed by the rest of the world as Ireland peaking too early again. That's just the reality of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I don’t care about the scores at all. They’ll be forgotten immediately. The most important result is getting everyone back safe and sound.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    For as long as I can remember Ireland have peaked in the year or two before the world cup and go in with huge expectations.

    The Scotland and South Africa games could go either way if Ireland aren't mentally 100%. If Ireland go behind at any stage you could see doubts creep in.

    Its great to be world no 1, but means little in the context of a world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Its a very similar South Africa team to 4 years ago. They are by no means brilliant but they certainly know how to win World Cup games. Don't think we can afford to write them or Scotland off just as we shouldn't have written Japan or Argentina off in previous world cups.

    Form seems to mostly go out the window when it comes to Rugby World Cups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    In 2019 there was a hope that the team would evolve or find ways to improve after a poor 6n. This time around its very different. There isn't major concerns over how the team performs generally on the back of the 6n.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    The team that played Italy plus a few changes should play Romania, then close to the same 23 that will be lined up to play South Africa should play Tonga with a few players benching against Tonga that will be starting against South Africa, and keeping a few back for South Africa. I have Lowe, Beirne and Doris sitting out the Tonga match to be fresh for South Africa, but could equally start them against Tonga, particularly Lowe, or maybe start Lowe against Romania and rest him against Tonga and push O'Brien or Crowley to the bench instead of Aki. It's all just a matter of getting just the right amount of minutes into the players to prime them.

    Then depending on how everything is going the team against Scotland could be anything in between the Romania and South Africa selections.

    I think it’ll be 18 forwards - 15 backs.

    My guess at 33 is:

    1. Porter, Healy, Kilcoyne
    2. Sheehan, Kelleher, Herring
    3. Furlong, Bealham, O’Toole
    4. Beirne, Henderson
    5. Ryan, McCarthy
    6. O’Mahony, Baird
    7. Van der Flier
    8. Doris, Conan
    9. Gibson-Park, Murray, Casey
    10. Sexton, Byrne, Crowley
    11. Lowe
    12. Henshaw, Aki, McCloskey
    13. Ringrose
    14. Hansen
    15. Keenan, O'Brien

    Plus 1 more winger; one of Earls, Stockdale or Nash.

    I’d guess Earls at this point for his all-round game and experience, assuming he still has decent speed.

    Osborne would have been another option for that last spot but I think he will need an injury to get into the final 33.

    Frawley is very close to McCloskey too but I think McCloskey has done enough to keep his spot.

    These would all need an injury to get into the final 33 in my opinion: Stewart, Treadwell, Prendergast, Coombes, Blade, Frawley, Osborne, Stockdale, Nash, and if I can include Conway for attending a few training sessions. I think Diarmuid Barron was reported to have attended also but I’d say he’d need a couple of injuries to occur to get into contention.

    For Reference, the team V Italy was:

    Kilcoyne, Herring, O'Toole,

    Henderson (C), McCarthy,

    Baird, Conan, Doris,

    Casey, Crowley,

    Stockdale, McCloskey, Henshaw, Earls,

    O'Brien.

    R: Stewart, Healy, Furlong, Beirne, Prendergast, Blade, Frawley, Nash.


    My proposed Team for Romania:

    Kilcoyne, Herring, O'Toole,

    Beirne, McCarthy,

    Baird, Conan, O’Mahony,

    Casey, Sexton (C),

    O'Brien, McCloskey, Henshaw, Earls,

    Crowley.

    R: Kelleher, Healy, Bealham, Henderson, Doris, Murray, Byrne, Aki.


    My proposed Team for Tonga:

    Healy, Kelleher, Bealham,

    Henderson (C), McCarthy,

    Baird, Conan, Van der Flier,

    Murray, Byrne,

    O'Brien, Aki, Ringrose, Hansen,

    Keenan.

    R: Sheehan, Porter, Furlong, Ryan, O'Mahony, Gibson-Park, Sexton, Henshaw.


    My proposed Team for SA:

    Porter, Sheehan, Furlong,

    Beirne, Ryan,

    O'Mahony, Doris, Van der Flier,

    Gibson-Park, Sexton,

    Lowe, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hansen,

    Keenan.

    R: Kelleher, Healy, Bealham, Henderson, Conan, Murray, Byrne, Aki.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Hope yes.. but reality was staring everyone in the face during and after the 6N.

    There used to be the usual cheerleaders on here (one or two) telling us not to trust our eyes.


    What we see this time around is unmistakingly different to anything that has come before.

    With one massive caveat*


    My WC vibes through the years:

    '87 - What's a World Cup?

    '91 - Australia will thump us

    '95 - Nobody can beat Lomu

    '99 - Argentina? We have BOD and stuff

    '03 - You never know what French side will turn up

    '07 - Perfect mix of Lunster

    '11 - Wales? Pfffft we're going to win this thing. Just give it to SOB. Ferris, Heaslip and Sexton will take care of the rest.

    '15 - Best coach. 6N champs. We'll hammer France. Then its NZ in the final.

    '19 - We could go out at the group stage.

    '23 - Grand Slam winners. Prop Sexton* up and nobody can beat us...Except Dupont.

    Post edited by ionadnapóca on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Tinter Box


    When is the team announced?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not til Thursday at the earliest I'd say and probably more likely Friday tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I heard loughman is training with the squad due to kilkoyne being unfit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    No issue with that - When fit, he has been ahead of Kilcoyne for Munster and Ireland for a while now.

    If that change was permanent it wouldn't weaken the group at all in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Thank the God's! Loughman should have been in from the get go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    That would be a welcome development. Genuinely baffling that Kilcoyne was called up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Bealham, Earls and Van Der Flier on media duty. Read into that what you will.



  • Posts: 95 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will that be 100 caps for Earls? He could run under Farrell’s shoulder too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 TheNeckofChat


    Now I get what Sexton and Keane were laughing at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    I think all feelings about their prospects are valid which you focus on is all about own mindset.

    The draw is appalling, the advantage Ireland have in welfare is nulled come WC ..they've never been even close to winning a WC quarter except for '91

    On the flipside this is an Ireland team with unprecedented achievements and shouldn't be pissed on cause of their WC history.

    I have said before if they need anymore motivation.. it can be got from those who have dismissed their achievements in the past 18 months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,045 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah lads, let's not become England football fans. Of course we want Ireland to win but above all else, it's s just a game and the craic of the tournament is the main thing. If other teams show up and play better than Ireland, then that's just how it goes. The team has been really well run over the last few years at provincial and international level and they've given us great tournaments and test series. They don't win everything, but that's sport.

    If we have peaked too soon and don't win the tournament, then the question is whether we'd rather a great few years and not win the WC, or be more like Wales with a terrible team who can peak out of nowhere and potentially win a tournament. I'd prefer it the way it is, being well run and consistently very good and then take our chances at the world cup.



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