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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,075 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    ”offers sparse” - diplomatic way of saying “we wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole”.

    Must be some shock to Tubs ego, after all the years of Noel Kelly telling him he was a once in a generation broadcasting talent, AND the “most trusted man in Ireland”

    FFS !!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭yagan


    I thought Radio Norwich would have snapped him up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,075 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Tubs surely could do an “Up with the Partridge” style 3:30 am - 5:30 am slot.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Iker Wrong Trainer


    He’d go down well on Radio Orkney, could promenade up and down Albert Street, Kirkwall, in his spare time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    You can tell from the vibes coming from our sneaky Taoiseach that he has been communicating with Backhurst. Backhurst has been nothing more than arrogant with respect to the fall off in payment of the tv licence and has even implied that RTE has enough funding to cover the organisation for the next two years. His subtle TWO FINGERS!!! to the non compliant tv licence payers.

    It has become evident that Backhurst is just another elite who wants an easy life and who will just move onto the top job in another organisation after RTE.

    Just getting back to Varadker, he has hinted that any subsidy from government will come with conditions and of course that suits RTE, Backhurst and Varadker as the government will use RTE even to a GREATER extent to push their agenda. This works out perfectly for all parties.

    The Irish people do have a choice here, don't pay the tv licence to begin with, switch off RTE and when it comes to the implementation of a set charge through tax or billing (enter Backhurst's chum Leo), I am hoping that the public refuse and treat it similarly as to the implementation of water charges.

    To force it by that level of non compliance is the only way that there will ever be meaningful change because Backhurst and Varadker ain't going to do it and you can bet that the only person who will be doing something is that clown Tubridy for all of his 53 minutes and getting paid something in the 200K per annum ballpark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,453 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Tubridys brand of radio will never be heard in casa Bendar again.

    The arrogance of these scones is mind-blowing, Ballsy was at it today, engineering a situation where one of the panel

    was four square behind abolition of the license fee.

    The big push now is for the Govt to step in and fund from general taxes which will effectively put RTE behind a pay wall

    where JQT has no way to get at them bar not listening or viewing.

    Very disappointed with Varadker for showing any support for Backhurst in all this.

    Should have told him that a certain coterie in RTE are living the good life on the taxpayers euron and unless things

    were regularised and full disclosures were forthcoming the paymaster (the Govt) would step in and protect the taxpayers wedge.

    As taxpayers we can’t allow a certain inner circle of chums and good ol’ boys and girls to ride us ragged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I personally would rather see the licence fee increased rather than abolished.

    Direct funding in this way is the only lever the public have to control RTE. Full exchequer funding would result in an even cosier relationship with government but more importantly shift control away from the viewer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Either scenario is a shitshow as long as the free for all continues. RTE doesn't live by it's means as long as it knows it will always get a bailout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The Irish people do have a choice here, don't pay the tv licence to begin with, switch off RTE and when it comes to the implementation of a set charge through tax or billing (enter Backhurst's chum Leo), I am hoping that the public refuse and treat it similarly as to the implementation of water charges.

    To force it by that level of non compliance is the only way that there will ever be meaningful change


    Will there be a choice if the new charge is deducted from your salary by revenue, or whatever the mechanism is ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    <pedant mode> In fact the country made a token effort, John Bowe, Willie McAteer, David Drumm and Denis Casey saw the inside of jail. The big fish. however, got away, no thanks to a Mr. Kevin O’Connell, and the hunt for Fingers assets is plodding along. Though I'll give you, the boyos wearing the right school ties (AIB) got away, John Hurley (ex civil service head, & central bank) and Patrick Neary (central bank) retired on generous pensions.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I want Tubridy out, but I'd have to disagree strongly with some of the posts above who say the Minister responsible, Catherine Martin, should push Bakhurst to fire him.

    It's a very dangerous road to go down when government ministers start to dictate who should and should not be presenting programmes and this could be a very slippery slope going forward.

    Where she is being slack IMO is in not pushing for the reports to be produced on time and in ensuring that documents requested by the PAC are produced as requested.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Iker Wrong Trainer


    When/if he returns I will be deliberately tuning into first couple of shows, and I imagine like curiosity will cause many others to do the same. Others might turn off in disgust, but I think between his existing unquestioning fan base and the curiosity listeners, there will be an overall spike in listenership to start off with. No doubt NK & all interested parties will use this as a bat to beat the unbelievers with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Quote from Loafing Oaf:

    "Will there be a choice if the new charge is deducted from your salary by revenue, or whatever the mechanism is ?"

    It's up to the people whether they want to just except it or not. People have the right to peaceful demonstration, like water charges implementation it can become a serious thorn in the side to the government of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭yagan


    Bathurst can't fire him, he just doesn't have to renew. The downside of contract work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    RTE need to very careful how they play this. He might keep his loyal listeners but as a brand RT is currently doomed. Sponsors and advertisers will be watching from the sidelines before they throw big money at his show with unknown listenership figures.

    Then there is the issue with lack of payment of tv license, ultimately they will probably get it through the courts but still doesn't stop the current short fall in revenue due to non compliance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    To be motivated to engage in those sort of protests thoughy, would people not have to be against taxpayer funding of broadcasting in any form, the way they were opposed point blank to water charges? And I would question whether many are that absolutist.

    The other point is, if the government anticipates this level of opposition to a specific broadcasting charge, would they not be more likely to fund RTE through general taxation, as recommended by the Future of Media Commission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    "In hindsight and after much deliberation..." again. Wait for it. Puppy dog eyes for the win. Loving this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭yagan


    The thing is it's not he's loved, he's essentially just been a Radio/TV face because someone has to be in an age where most people get their information elsewhere. If he never got back on air he won't be lamented.

    Those who like him will like whatever face is hoisted into position, although I have a feeling Paddy Kielty may bring a genuine common connection with the public that will highlight how artificial and ungenuine Tubridy is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    My answer to you hopefully covers both points, yes as direct taxpayer funding provides a paywall for RTE with little accountability. Again, it depends on the public's feelings on this, how much and how many would be negatively affected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I'd pay a TV license if RTE was Public Service only. Current affairs, politics, national/international sport that kind of thing. No more crap on radio, no more Love Island, Room to improve, weight loss, name your poison.

    Commercial TV can do all that. We deserve far better. And if RT is reinstated I will be cancelling my license DD. I have held off for now waiting to see how RTE handles this. We shall see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    direct taxpayer funding provides a paywall for RTE with little accountability. 


    TG4 operates on this basis, and how many people are bothered, despite presumably only a tiny minority watching it any way regularly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A lighter, fluffier format? Tubridy is the hydrogen gas of RTE programming. Lighter than air even when on-air.

    The problem for Tubridy is that his kind of low-talent babble is available on most radio stations. The noises (PR talking point) about Tubridy taking legal action against RTE would create more problems for Tubridy and the RTE "talent" than it would for RTE.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    At this point I don't think it's a question about where or how TG4 gets its funding. I think it's about what alternatives are available to the government with respect to the replacement of the licence fee and whether the public are willing to accept whatever model the government puts in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Okay no analogy is ever perfect but the public seem willing to swallow the direct exchequer funding model for TG4 without complaint. If there was another mechanism for funding public servicve broadcasting that would gain significantly greater public buy-in that might change the game but I'm not aware of such a mechanism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi


    The thing about an individual taking legal action in the circumstances of a contract termination (if relevant) is they are faced with months if not years of uncertainty as it staggers through the byzantine WRC/courts etc system, and that takes a hell of a toll on the individual. It doesn't matter if they have a good legal firm and so on, it's still the last thing they think about before going to sleep, and the first thing they think about when they wake up.

    Given that the situation with RT is not of Kevin Bakhurst's making, I think KB should not put Ryan back on the air and simply let whatever residual time is left in the contract run down - and pay whatever is "due". In my experience, if you don't deal with this sort of issue as soon as it rears its ugly head, you can factor in a doubling of the cost of resolution for every year you prevaricate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I will add to that and add childrens TV. RTE used to have the Den, which 'hosted' the imported cartoons. Now, the little Ive seen, is just back to back imported stuff. 3.30 tomorrow on RTE 2 is Lions vs Hyenas. Described as:

    "Documentary charting the fortunes of a male lion cub and a female hyena pup, each born at the same time on the African plains, as they develop into maturity". Sounds more like something your grand dad would watch, not draw young people into watch.

    3.30 was when the Den started traditionally. My mum loved the Den, especially Dustin. Most of the jokes went over my head, but there are clips on YoutTube that are hilarious. If Ray Darcy wants to earn his 250k a year. I would say he'd be as well off working for 3 hours a day on the telly instead of 1 hour a day on the radio. Or better still, get someone vibrant, not boring the arse off people with stories of sour dough bread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Wasn't the decision to destroy kid's TV programming on RTE another of Forbes' wonderful decisions? The Tubridy payments scandal happened under her watch.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    The Future of Media Commission may well have recommended direct funding from the Exchequer (I don't know for sure, it's 284 pages long) but I'm pretty sure that the FoMC did say that there would be a danger of 'Perceived or actual bias towards the Govt of the day*' if this were the case - and indeed, the brilliant Catherine Martin (who's desk had to be moved to the ground floor cos of the weight of reports on it) discounted DEF for this very reason

    '*' like there isn't enough RTE bias towards the Govt as it stands


    So, yeah - it looks like Bakhurst is a company man alright - He's had the perfect opportunity gifted to a new DG that was intent on cleaning the place up in the Ryan Tubridy scandal, but has chosen to ignore the chance to implement wholesale changes to fees/contractors and is actively trying to get the gravy train back up to full speed (with the minimum of tweaks) instead of regaining the trust of the Irish people - Shame really

    I said it before, The DG position should be performance based - Decent base salary and hefty bonuses paid depending on performance/results/savings

    Ultimately, Govts (past and present) are to blame imo. They well knew that large parts of West Africa were looking at RTE and thinking - "Fook me, those guys are good - makes us look like amateurs down here"

    The RTE 'players' and the Govt 'players' are in the club



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