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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Showing a complete lack of empathy for a victim is kinda Trumps thing and his supporters just follow his lead..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Yep just a pity that you can't do forensic investigation on a cloud platform.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I doubt Trump is a guy that would be keeping his inbox tidy so unless Dan Scavino or whoever else had the login was cleaning it down regularly it could have lots of good stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    DMs, draft/unsent tweets and identifying metadata: device info, geolocation, etc. so they can pin down who sent what from which phone and when and where. The DOJ can verify Trump was in the dining room eg. When he made his “Mike pence didn’t have the courage” tweet which sent the riot into full blown insurrection furor. Trump can’t just dismiss this by saying he had a coffee boy write it in Timbuktu and drafts could be very revealing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I wouldn't be reading too much into the twitter subpeona. They need the raw data from trumps posts rather than screenshots in order to present them as evidence



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    “Even arguably ambiguous statements from parties or their counsel, if they can be reasonably interpreted to intimidate witnesses or to prejudice potential jurors, can threaten the process,” Chutkan added later. “The more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case which could taint the jury pool … the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly.”

    Judge not interested in f&cking around and warns defendant they will find out faster the more they do so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump ends up with at minimum a social media ban, and at max, a period in detention. He is totally incapable of keeping his lies and bullshit to himself so its only a matter of days before he runs foul of the judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The FXT guy had his bail revoked, so you'd need to keep on the correct side (not right) of those judges.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    By the way the fact that Twitter already received its calculated imposition of fine ($350k iirc), I assume that means the extent of their noncompliance was already determined and cut-off, and the timing for twitter to appeal that penalty would all likely be under seal, and take considerable time, so the natural indication is that DOJ has already had this information for some length of time (at least weeks, probably months, maybe even involving the old owners a year ago)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,398 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Surely he's going to pull shenanigans after awhile. I cannot envision this "meek court Trump" persona lasting long. What will the judge do if he's in contempt? He's an ex-president, he can't be sent to jail. And like you mentioned, it's unlikely he'll have the patience for any of this.

    I genuinely have no doubt how all this will unfold, but I do see so much potential for an absolute circus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wellllll shiit.

    Donald Trump's lawyers — who were identified as co-conspirators in Trump's latest federal indictment — wanted Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to help them stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's 2020 election victory.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,686 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The €64000 question is, was Thomas involved? You can't be on the SCOTUS if you are in prison...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,367 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    As DuploeLabs says, certainly through his wife. Ginni is up to her eyeballs in the effort to keep Trump in office and to subvert democracy. It also paints Thomas's sole dissent in the WH Jan 6 docs case. There was near zero legal basis for his dissent that didn't involve an immense stretch of exec privilege and indeed so big a stretch? That not a single other justice could agree with his dissent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    God damn



    • Rendon, who was an elected state lawmaker from Missaukee County, contacted 
    • Lynch, who was working at the request and “direction” of Lambert, collected voting equipment from local clerks in Lake Township (Missaukee County), Roscommon County, Richfield Township (in Roscommon) and Irving Township (Barry County) beginning in March of 2021.Lake Township Clerk Korinda Winkelmann asking her to provide equipment to Lynch as part of a 2020 election "audit." Rendon had also contacted other township and county clerks in her district to request they provide ballot tabulators to Lynch.
    • Lynch took the voting equipment to hotel rooms in Oakland County. There, and in other Oakland County "residences," DePerno and Lambert were "frequently" present as purported technology experts performed "tests and/or experiments" on the machines.
    • During those experiments, “the internal content of the machines was accessed, and the computer system itself was manipulated.”
    • At one point, the group hired a professional videographer to film "various tests" on a tabulator from Lake Township. The video, filmed inside Lynch's Royal Oak condominium, featured self-described technology expert Jeffrey Lenberg and was later posted to DePerno's law firm website.
    • The group kept the equipment longer than local clerks had expected. Lynch returned various machines in April, June and finally September 2021, when he met the Lake Township clerk in the Great Lakes Crossing Mall parking lot for the exchange. 


    They took voting machines into a hotel room to **** around with.

    yeah there is zero chance these don’t go to trial before election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I actually think at this stage he wants to start an actual Civil War.

    Some needs to take his phone of him and give him corner time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Judge Chutkans security detail meanwhile is very heightened. 3 US Marshalls to get a cup of coffee.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another Legal Eagle, about the Jan 6 case & indictment




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Federalist Society arguing the case Trump has already been disqualified from office:

    Two conservative legal scholars, members of the Federalist Society in good standing, have just published an audacious argument: that Donald Trump is constitutionally prohibited from running for president, and that state election officials have not only the authority but the legal obligation to prevent his name from appearing on the ballot.

    The legal paper, authored by University of Chicago professor William Baude and University of St. Thomas professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, centers on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — a provision that limits people from returning to public office if they have since “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort” to those who have. Baude and Paulsen argue that this clearly covers Trump’s behavior between November 2020 and January 2021.

    “The most politically explosive application of Section Three to the events of January 6, is at the same time the most straightforward,” Baude and Paulsen write. “Former President Donald J. Trump is constitutionally disqualified from again being President (or holding any other covered office) because of his role in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election and the events leading to the January 6 attack.”

    The consequences of this argument are astonishing. On Baude and Paulsen’s read, Section 3 is “self-executing” — meaning it does not require an act of Congress to enter force and binds those public officials in the position to act on its dictates. Basically, if a single official anywhere in the US electoral system finds their constitutional analysis compelling, Baude and Paulsen urge them to act on it.

    “No official should shrink from these duties. It would be wrong — indeed, arguably itself a breach of one’s constitutional oath of office — to abandon one’s responsibilities of faithful interpretation, application, and enforcement of Section Three,” they write.

    As a matter of law, I find their arguments quite compelling. If you look at Section 3 in light of the historical evidence and how restrictions on eligibility for office work elsewhere in the Constitution, it’s hard to disagree with Baude and Paulen’s application of its text to Trump.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I doubt the Republican Bible belt voters will take to that billionaire rapping candidate over the God-fearing billionaire rapist Donald Trump.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Oh…if only. It would be a fitting application of karma that his treasonist attempt to overthrow Capitol Hill in order to hold onto office, would itself forbid him from ever holding it again.

    I guess for that to stick, they’d have to find him guilty of insurrection, or giving comfort to insurrectioists. Question is, can that done or is there some legal way for him weasel out of being found guilty of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,225 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I have to say I always enjoy the phrase perfect phone call. He keeps saying it like it’s not one of the dumbest phrases ever uttered, not just in connection to his attempt at fraud but just in general it’s beyond stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    It isn't like making dumb statements is anything new for him, but yeah it is up there.

    But you have to take into account who he is issuing/appealing to when making them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,712 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If only we could put him in a Truman Show type setup where he cant do any danage in the real world.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    "perfect phone call" is something easy for his minions to remember and parrot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's a phrase that irrationally irritates me: cos among all the stupid shít Trump has said, the constant wittering on about a "perfect phone call" as some kind of defence has struck as especially asinine and impossible to figure out.

    How the F does one have a "perfect" phone call? Was Trump especially erudite that day? Was he happy with how good the connection was? Did Zelensky profess his love for this phone call? It breaks my brain trying to rationalise something so trivial and without substance as somehow worth celebrating - or defending. Or indeed, perfect.

    It's like boasting about a perfect bowl of corn flakes I had for breakfast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,732 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Its just Trump's very limited language skills showing. It suits his base to be fed simple phrases, especially phrases that are so unlikely as to be recognised as his. 'Like they have never seen before' 'like the world has never seen before' and other slight variations, is another one. Equally as asinine and not literally accurate. Just the same as all the childish name calling, his base recognises and relates to it, its easy for them to understand, it doesn't matter if the story or accusation that goes with it is complete rubbish, its like the chorus of a patriotic song, easy to repeat and identify with.



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