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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What vision? MAGA isn't a vision, it's a tagline.

    Health care? No, doesn't understand it and finds it a bit complicated.

    Infrastructure? What was his big plan for that?

    Green energy? Education? Housing? Financial regulation?

    Nothing. The man has no vision apart from him being POTUS.

    People don't support Trump because of his vision. I haven't heard one vox pop say that. Lots of 'he'll tells it like it is', 'he is a great businessman', 'he's going to drain the swamp' etc.

    But nothing about his vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I always enjoy the drain the swamp bit when all he actually did was make the swamp deeper and more swampy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I really find the “he’s not a rapist, he’s a sexual offender” defence utterly awful.

    so what?

    A: It’s really not any better

    B: The judge said he committed rape.

    Lads, look at yourselves. You should be ashamed for standing by your man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭randd1


    The GOP no longer have a vision. They exist purely to cut taxes for the rich, make their base angry, and make Trump happy whatever it takes.

    Trump merely used their non-policy as a vehicle to rile up the base even more with even more anger, to the point it is now a cult dedicated to his outbursts.

    The both sides argument may have held water once, but in the last two decades (and in particular since a black guy became president) the GOP has started to eat itself from within to the point that only for a few of the more saner heads it would be completely the Trump party now, and even with that it’s very close.

    Honestly, the Democrats are the only ones that seem interested in governing. All the Republicans seem to care about is turning the country over to a Republican dictator who’ll end the “liberal agenda” (whatever the f*ck that’s meant to be).

    I honestly believe if Trump does get back into power, he’ll attempt, in his pathetic man-child total snowflake mindset, along with his acolytes like MTG and Gaetz in congress, to take “revenge” on the democratic and legal institutions in the US that tried to hold him to account for his obvious crimes to the point that he’ll end the US itself as different states withdraw from the union. At the very least, there’ll be real blood on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Let me guess, the DOJ seized upon Trump's public complaints that 'the DOJ waited too long to try me' etc. - I would have put it in the motion personally. While the defendant motions for the need to delay delay delay in court the DOJ reminds him that, actually, this trial can go much faster if he wants, so he can get on with the election/campaign race, as he has repeatedly argued in his posts over the past few weeks.

    edit: close, they cite this letter and point out Trump tried to tell the judge he was starting from a blank slate with his defense against these charges, but in fact it is shown he's been fully informed of and appraised of investigations into himself for a long while now.

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    etc...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Rollingstone reporting that the Georgia indictments will be very sweeping and cover a lot of Trump's stooges. Might be a big RICO indictment.

    And, being indicted in Georgia doesn't prevent one from being indicted in Federal court.

    It might explain why it's been awhile for this indictment to come out - it's not just the obvious "find me 11,780 votes" event but everyone that helped Trump get to that point, including those nims that snuck into the election center in Coffee county and downloaded data illegally.

    Would love to see the Georgia DA RICO Trump's election apparatus. Even more amusing if some of the conspirators are involved with his current campaign.


    Paywalled, so: "Trump’s Allies Prepare for Indictments in Georgia Probe: ‘They’re Coming for Everyone’

    (https://archive.li/OeiV9)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Willis and Smith are the heavy cases. Willis has an open field, esp as the judgement cannot be pardoned. Next week will be interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    His vision for the country is for him to be President regardless of the result of free and fair elections. Even setting aside the fact that he's a steaming ar*ehole of a person on a human level, he's a clear and active danger to democracy over there. No one individual in US history has done more to sow division and discord in the general population. If you'd been paying attention over the past 7 years you should know that, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Imagine taking your taking points from Lauren ****ing Boebart

    Be proud of yourselves, fellow posters!!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I take leave to disagree. The US is incredibly divided today not because of Donald Trump, but because of far-left intersectionality and identity politics. Donald Trump is the outcome of that division, not the cause. That's a different debate entirely, one unsuited to the purpose of this thread, so I'll leave it there.

    But to suggest that Trump is the primary cause for today's social division and discord in the United States is quite simply absurd. It's to not understand the nature of the causes of that division.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What other US individual do you propose has done more to sow division and discord in the general population of the United States?



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The groups -- not any one individual -- that tried to force identity politics and the green agenda and all that far-left nonsense into US society, brought Donald Trump on themselves.

    They are responsible for Donald Trump even existing as a political candidate.

    If you don't want the kind of candidate like Donald Trump appearing on the scene, perhaps the far-left should reel in their agenda and stop foisting it upon everyone else in society. That would curtail the likes of Trump and his equivalent from even acquiring the remotest of sympathy from the general public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Combatting climate change is far left now? Wild... By the above logic, most of the EU is far left. The GOP latched onto identity politics to create an enemy, they'd fail to prevent same sex marriage etc so they needed a new big bad. So now that includes everything from sex education to the history of slavery to books... If anything he's more a symptom of a decaying GOP that are becoming more and more irrelevant as the years go on cause they don't adjust to social change.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Extreme climate change fanatics are far-left, who think the world will turn to embers in three decades - yes, they are extreme; and they want ordinary working people to pay the cost of that extremism (note they are typically from very modest middle to upper class backgrounds). Working class communities have been decimated because of left-wing ideology (how ironic), and many of those same people understandably turned to Trump (a non-left wing candidate) when he said this was quite clearly wrong.

    Look, I think green energy is a good idea, but it's marketed wrong. Persuade people on health and environmental grounds and so on, but don't force people to succumb to the doom-laden predictions of extremists. And all this effort is in vain the same time that poorer countries, such as India and China, continue to pump out pollution at ever greater volumes.

    So yes, Trump speaks sense when it comes to so-called "climate change". The climate has never stopped changing, and it never will stop. The term is a misnomer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So TLDR, what the user argued is perfectly correct and their point stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Is there anyone you won't blame, apart from trump?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    More reality-free nonsense:

    "Working class communities have been decimated because of left-wing ideology (how ironic), and many of those same people understandably turned to Trump (a non-left wing candidate) when he said this was quite clearly wrong."

    Really? That's why the factories left?

    And why jobs were replaced with Robots?

    And health care was made increasingly less available and more expensive? Oh, and while we're at it, restrictions on women's health care increased to the point that migrations are happening from right-wing states? And, for example, in Florida, tourism is suffering as conventions bookings are falling off as corporations find the medical policies in Florida abhorrent? All right-wing issues celebrated and promulgated by this guy you firmly support. Trump.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not about "blame".

    This isn't about some juvenile point scoring where we assign "blame" to a target, then focussing all that hatred on that singular target.

    The far-left need to reflect upon themselves that, though they hate Trump, they are themselves responsible for sowing the terrain that led to the likes of Donald Trump even existing as a political force in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Working class communities have been decimated because of left-wing ideology" - You, 13 minutes before this ^ post.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Trump's hated from across the political spectrum though. To suggest that it's a far left thing is seriously detached from reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Didn't you hear?

    MAGA now regards Jesus as a liberal talking point.

    That's how far detached they all are. 'That Jesus stuff doesn't work anymore'




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Was that the story where the Evangelical pastor was reading the sermon on the mount and was told by some MAGAt in his congregation that that stuff doesn't work anymore? Not far from that mindset to the guy saying "let's kill them all" to the Newsmax 'reporter' last week, and not a lot of distance from the 'better a Russian than a Democrat!' fatboys during the 2016 campaign.

    It's a nihilistic death cult at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The very same. We're apparently seeing them veer far to the right even of Republican Jesus. Jesus doesn't actually teach what they want so they're giving their own religion the awl NYEH!

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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Dexter Bumpy Turquoise


    He's starting to hit his 2015/16 stride...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I'm not saying that there wasn't divisions in US society before Trump arrived on the political scene, because obviously there was. However, Trump has done nothing but stoke those divisions and now we're left with a country where almost half the voting population doesn't believe in their electoral system or system of justice because of the nonsense and lies that he's been spouting for years.

    You only need to go back and watch his inauguration speech in 2017, which is usually an opportunity for the incoming president to appeal to those who voted for them and those who didn't, and to be a president for everyone. Trump's speech was dystopian in nature. He set a tone for his conduct in 2015/2016 and has only doubled down on it since then. He's an incredibly dangerous individual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Sweaty overweight hotdog-skinned rapist criticises someone weight



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well..

    Can't be pardoned by the "President" but can be pardoned at the State level by the governor.

    The pressure on a Republican governor to pardon Trump and his cronies would be immense I'd imagine.



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