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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Why not call him a dirty raping bastard?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,595 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The judge clarified the factual basis to state Trump is a rapist. Not in the deepest dregs of online discussion forum. But in public.

    And I call Trump a rapist on that same basis.

    There doesnt need to be a jury finding to support that.

    Hard to defame someones good reputation in the sexual sphere... when they have none. You even stated it as per the jury he is a sexual abuser who sexually assaulted the victim.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75



    Defamation is defined as lowering the opinion of that person, in the minds of right thinking individuals....


    Well, right thinking individuals couldn't have a lower opinion of him so, is he really defamed?




    While you're here, absolutely brand new poster, would you care to answer some questions about someone you jump to the defence of?

    Do you think he committed the crimes he is accused of in DC?

    Do you care if he did?

    Do you think he's racist?

    Do you care if he is?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Because she couldn't tell if it was his finger or his choad was inside her, that's where he was only found liable for sexual assault not rape.

    Yet you still defend the sexual assaulter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,595 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They didnt reject it in terms of positively clearing Trump. It was not proven in terms of the exact nature of the sexual assault under NY definition.

    You left out the fact of the judges statement clarifying that Trump is a rapist.

    I deal in facts too. And facts are not only determined by juries.

    Trump s a rapist.

    Fact.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    And do you think it’s ok Trump was found liable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    No point in arguing with folks about whether he is guilty of accused crimes, or if he was racist etc, unless the person you are arguing with cares if he is.

    If not, why bother.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Glencarraig




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trying to defend Trump by arguing it was his finger, not his penis. If it was his penis then, one could argue he was looking for sex, but his finger meant, it was about power and humiliating her.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    The judge has the final say in a court of law.

    Say it over and over again and you might actually understand how it works.

    The judge said that Trump is a rapist, in a court of law, and then banged the gavel, making her ruling final.

    What part of this do you have a problem with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,915 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    No the judge does not have the final say if the case is decided by a jury.

    The judge is responsible for ensuring the trial is conducted fairly and explains the relevant law to the jury.

    The jury is responsible for deciding whether the defendant is guilty though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The judge in the case said it was appropriate to call him him a rapist in the general sense of the word. He wasn't found liable for rape because New York defines rape in a much narrower way than elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    That isn't really the win that the Trump fans think it is.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    No no, literally the judge has the final say in Court’s of law.

    These are basic facts. A jury decides verdicts but it is the judge that makes rulings based on said verdicts.

    This is very simple stuff and it’s baffling that it has to be explained to some people just because they support Donald Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,595 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And under Irish law it would be rape.

    So there we have it.

    Trump is a rapist.

    Incredible the hills some people pick to fight and lose on.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,380 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Is it really? It occurs quite often that basic things have to be (unsuccessfully) explained to some people because they support Donnie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,054 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's funny how all these non fans of Trump spend pages and pages being...fans of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    "Trump is a rapist.

    Incredible the hills some people pick to fight and lose on."

    It isn't really when you get down to the nub of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    In the real world, prosecuters looking for trial to start on Jan 2nd 2024 in the attempt to defraud the voters cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭newmember2


    For complete unambiguous clarity, can someone translate/elaborate as to what is meant above by a "a rapist in the general sense of the word"?

    Does it mean someone who forcefully has sex with someone else? Would that not be the universal definition of what a rapist is?

    How much 'narrower' is the New York definition?

    Or, why did the judge feel that some sort of amendment or clarification was needed when the clarification is then so unclear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Digital penetration(fingers) versus his penis, it wasn't clear to Carroll which so under New York law, only the latter is rape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    They think trump won an election that he didn't so their definitions for winning and losing are flimsy at best



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's worth highlighting that in elections, people aren't necessarily voting for the most moral and ethical person. It's not a papal race.

    That's why Trump continues to remain high in the polls despite all the scandals attached to him. People believe in his vision for the country and the future, even if it means overlooking some personal flaws that Trump may have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump's lawyer - your honour, my client's penis is so small, the accuser couldn't tell if it was his finger or penis

    Judge - fair enough, he didn't rape her.

    Trump fans - WHAT A WIN!!!!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Being a rapist with 78 criminal charges awaiting trial is a little bit more than a bit immoral/unethical... Rape is literally one of those things that is viewed as the lowest of the low so sharing his vision is still a pretty bad reason to vote for him. It's like saying "I can ignore the rape, the hijacking of an election and incitement of a riot cause I like his vision", historically that's more reminiscent of voting a tyrant in. Eg Duterte or Hitler. He hasn't murdered anyone yet but I'm sure you'd achieve some moral calculus to justify voting for him...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump literally incited a group of people to storm the U.S. Capitol. He's under several federal indictments. He's been found liable for violating a woman. He's on tape trying to convince the Georgia SoS to somehow come up with more votes for him, even though there was no credible evidence of electoral fraud. He's on tape admitting that he couldn't declassify those documents, but still wanted to show them off (not to mention trying to avoid giving them back). I mean, I could go on and on, here, but I'll try to just keep it to a few of the highlights which are jumping out at me at this point in time.

    Remember when U.S. politicians used to be normal? Or at least normal enough that any one of the above would be an unquestioned career-ender, and both parties could agree that this kind of behaviour was completely unacceptable?

    People who are pushing back on the rape claim - even allowing that, it obviously does not anywhere near rehabilitate his character to where he has any kind of business being an elected official. Then again, maybe it's time that America admits that their politics has become so performative and oppositional that Trump actually kind of is the perfect representation of around one half of their electorate (including nose holders who are still voting for him).

    The great value of Trump, really, is how much he upsets the other side. I'm perfectly happy to admit that when Trump was first elected, I thought it was a good laugh. It was a riveting night. Hillary was unbearably smug and condescending right throughout that whole campaign season. It did feel like it served her right in many ways. But... it's just not been worth it. He has directly contributed to the increasing division of American politics, and I don't mean in the way of CNN attacking him, but with his regular all-caps declarations specifically designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator and keep people angry. The idea of a sitting US president or former US president angrily tweeting in all caps every day feels like it is literally lifted out of Idiocracy. No hyperbole. He was still in office and tweeted, "I WON BY A LOT". A six year old says that when they fail to accept not winning a 1st class art contest, not an adult man. It's nuts that this is where American political discourse has gotten to where that just breezed by, almost.

    Again, my very exasperation at Trump still being a major contender for political office is what some people enjoy. Not my exasperation specifically, but you know what I mean. Is it worth it, though? Isn't that just complete nihilism? "I don't want to make things better! I just want to annoy people I hate!" What is that? Is that not a road to hell?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,313 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I wonder if anyone arguing this point would care two jots about the strictest legal interpretation if it happened to a female friend or relative of theirs.

    I would imagine the distinction would be beyond ****ing irrelevant.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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