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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭TheRona


    I don't think it's surprising that NZ are still using players that have won the RWC and/or won the World Player of the Year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I don't know if Hansen or Lowe are world class, but they're vital to Ireland's attacking game plan. Both are brilliant distributors and kicking options. The essentially act as auxiliary playmakers. None of our other options have that creative element in their locker. We simply don't attack as well without them.

    Lowe's cannon of a boot is also a big bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    I don't think we'd suffer unduly if Lowe or Hansen got injured to be honest. Our wingers don't get the ball enough anyway, they've to go look for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    That's part of the game plan. Wingers coming through to exploit gaps and create overlaps. It's one of the best features of our attack. Out and out wingers like Balacoune suffered in the system because it's not designed to have a finisher just waiting on the touch line for the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    And I think the replacements can do that. Stockdale, for all the criticism he got the last day, is well able to go foraging. We've gotten on fine without say Lowe in the past is my point. And as said above, I don't think our wingers are particularly brilliant players so are relatively interchangeable.

    Front row, 10 and 15 are a different kettle of fish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Let’s hope we don’t face too many breaks in space against the likes of RSA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The wingers aren't foraging though. They're stepping in at the right moment to act as another playmaker. That's a different role entirely. I don't think any of our other options, bar maybe JOB, has that in their locker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    The week before Ireland could and really should have won v NZ. That was forgotten in the mess the following week.

    The Irish team was exhausted and that last test was a step too far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Agreed. What sets Hansen and Lowe apart is their ability to pop up and pick the right pass. Not something I would associate with Stockdale for example. They’re footballers whilst Stockdale is more of a finisher for me.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,493 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Why are 'footballers' players that can throw passes while lads that can kick and chase aren't footballers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Good question. Playmaker is a better way of putting it but I didn’t want to just repeat Clegg’s post 😀

    I’ve heard Stockdale referred to having a big boot in various places. Is he that good off the boot? May be so but I don’t remember too many instances of him catching it cleanly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    the covid game v italy that he played at 15 he put in some decent clearances. he actually didnt play too badly that day tbh

    i dont think hes a great 15 but i also dont think he was in great form overall when he was playing there for ireland, combine that with a team that wasnt playing that well in general and i dont think we got the best overall idea of his ability as a 15 - he had played pretty well there for ulster and the under 20s in the past

    having said all that his form since 2018 has been so up and down in general that its hard to judge accurately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I’m of the opinion that 2018 was the outlier where everything he touched went well. There was a period where every chip and chase bounced his way. Would love to see him back in that kind of form but that was 5 years ago now. Is it realistic to think he’ll ever reach that level again?

    If he makes the squad I think he’ll be a weapon against Romania and Tonga in the group stages but I’d be worried if he was starting one of the big games for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    theres an element of making your own luck though. he scored from two very intelligent intercepts that 6N too. he wasnt that bad in 2019 too to be fair to him, he was just playing on an irish team that wasnt doing well (not that he was amazing either)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    2018 Stockdale was possibly the best left wing in world rugby. So no I don't think he'll hit those same heights again.

    I've tried watching him closely this year with Ulster and he really never looked fit/sharp enough. Surprised he got selected but on Saturday, he actually looked in great nick and seemed to be running more like Stockdale of old and looking dominant in the air which I'm delighted about. I think it will be only a matter of time before it clicks again for him.

    I don't see AF bringing 3 left wings but expect a big 2024 year from Stockdale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Stockdale actually made 176 metres with the ball v Italy.

    To put that into perspective. When ireland played Italy in the six 176 metres is more than the 2 wingers combined made and one of them got man of the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Has the training match taken place against Portugal yet?

    Any reports from it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What was the value of those meters tho? I don't think he showed a lot in the way of positives, certainly nothing that demanded inclusion. I don't mean that to knock him, but for me, I don't think he's close to any of the lads in front of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭typhoony


    And there you have a prime example of someone with an anti-leinster bias as a result clearly has a hope that Ireland don't do well in the WC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    The metres repeatedly pushed us into scoring positions but we were unfortunately quite wasteful with some of those opportunities. His chase and grab of the ball on the deck after the Italian spill was the catalyst for our first try. His high take was almost the spark for the try that JOB nearly grounded. Doris' second try came after Stockdale broke into their 22.

    He had loads of positive impacts on the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Took place yesterday, I'm sure reports will come in later today.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    That’s stretching it a bit. He got into position as first receiver a few times and was impressed with his catch from Caseys box kick.

    That was good to see because he is generally not good in the air and Casey has improved his kicking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Is it though? The poster clearly states "fingers crossed Ireland will have a good World Cup"

    In my world Fingers Crossed is Good Luck



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He also got himself dumped into touch from about 15 metres from the sideline, got away with a terrible decision in his 22 and missed a glaring tackle for a try. I'd be shocked if he's included in the squad. I've nothing against Stockdale but people are being rather kind about his performance



  • Administrators Posts: 56,547 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Didn't Ireland win a ton of games this year without Lowe?

    He's not vital. Neither is Hansen. We have this really bad habit of blowing smoke up our players, suggesting that too many of them are irreplaceable.

    There are very few irreplaceable players in this Ireland squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    You've been banging this drum for a while. Lets just forget the word vital!

    Lowe is very important to Ireland. The next winger is not up to his level. I think that's fair.

    Hansen is important to Ireland. The next winger is also not up to his level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    The one that gets me is "first name on the team sheet". If you read the posts during the week in the run up to a game, it's usually Furlong, Ryan, Beirne, Doris, VDF, Sexton, Ringrose, Keenan. Every popular player suddenly becomes indispensable.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,547 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I don't think this is accurate either.

    Are Lowe and Hansen very important? Not really, at least not in the sense that if either of them were ruled out of the WC tomorrow it would be time to worry. Are the replacements of the same or at least a very similar standard? Yes, IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Ok. I would be interested to read your depth chart at wing.


    Just to note i think Baloucoune should be going to the WC but Im fully converted as to why Hansen is an important part of how Ireland play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 inbloom427


    I don’t really think that is fair either. Strangely enough, I think we had a degree of depth on the wing because nobody is absolutely world class. Lowe and Hansen are in the top two spots but I don’t think either strike fear into any other top teams, and plenty of the guys down the pecking order could fill a gap without too much impact (particularly if they had a run there).



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