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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Brewster


    But don’t forget, Lowe had the very same issues when he first came into team. There is no doubt Stockdale can resolve these issues, definitely fixable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I think you need 3 scrum halves. Need 3 players in all specialist positions. Just in case someone fails a HIA they could miss 2 games.

    3 in each front row position.

    3 Scrum halves

    3 out halves.

    That's 15 spots gone.

    4 second rows. 5 back rows. 1 hybrid. (Baird)

    4 centres and 4 back three. 1 utility. ( (Frawley)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If O'Brien's injury is serious (which it doesn't sound like it is), is Crowley a live option to backup Keenan?

    I thought it was interesting that Farrell chose to look at him there ahead of other guys. And I also think it probably improved Crowley's chances of taking the 22 jersey more than if he stayed at 10 for the full 80.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Getting a hundredth cap off the bench is the ultimate sign of disrespect. It's a cap you give to someone you hate and you think could never play rugby.


    It's your attempt to wipe a player out of the history books as they didn't start in their 100th cap.


    At least that's what rog said in an off the ball interview. He also admitted that he only understood the insult when he coached in New Zealand for a year and the new zealand guys explained it to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    I think Earls will get 100 v Samoa. Potentially even as captain and the accolade will be well deserved. I'm just not sure he will get 101 caps. The likes of Earls and kilkoyne might be great tourists but I'm not certain they both deserve to by in the final 33 given their form this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I'd say 100th cap off the bench is an insult most players would be happy with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    JOB can play at wing to a very good standard. Personally, I'd leave Earls and Stockdale home. There's also the option of putting Ringrose on a wing.

    Wing is a position that is a weakness, imo. It's frustrating to see Balacoune not make it and Larmour struggle with injury. On the backline, we seem to have little pace. Except for Keenan and Ringrose.

    We don't have any wingers that are close to world class! It's certainly frustrating.

    I still think we're weak at loose head. It's an area where we've been unable to back up Healy and McGrath in their pomp. Kilcoyne just isn't good enough and Healy is past his best. Both lads will be gone after the world cup.



  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    O'Gara was the starting outhalf for Ireland for a long time. First choice. Undisputed.

    Earls has had periods where he was in the frame but never a nailed on starter. It's a different mentality and they're two different personalities.

    If I was Earls I'd have no issue getting my century off the bench against whoever. It's a legacy. It doesn't have to be perfect, when he's 50 it's something that he'll love sharing and an almost unique point of pride. Whether he gets it or not is immaterial from an Ireland POV, but for him I don't think he'll begrudge a bit of sentiment to get him over the line.

    I was an ok but not exceptional athlete, but I got to compete for Ireland and it's a massive deal. Getting to do so 100 times regardless of anything is an enormous achievement, it's not the last cap but the 99 that came before.

    I can understand how it could be viewed negatively, but I can also see why Earls wouldn't care and the team would be delighted for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He’s a completely different type of player offensively there (he was involved more than JOB as a playmaker) so it would be interesting. Do we think he’s good enough defensively there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    There is some bizarre revisionism of Earls' career going on here by some



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    The 100 cap thing is odd, while I’d agree if it’s like now for Earls make him captain and start, however if it pops up mid 6N or World Cup just pick them where they would have been picked regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Absolutely.

    The only reason Earls hasn't his 100th cap already is injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Mistyped


    I hope this DOESN'T come back to bite us in the butt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Edit: just realised you miscounted so either 32 or 34 depending if you meant the hybrid and utility as extra or as included.

    I’ll post my own 33 instead.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And being inconsistent / lacking composure. He alluded to it himself, rare case of a winger having a better second half of a career than first half.

    Unreal athlete and clearly a significant presence within the squad, but let's not rewrite history. It says more about Ireland than Earl's that he's on the cusp of a 100.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭hold my beer




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,359 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Keith Earls absolutely does not cover 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    He’s been moved in there before during matches so he does actually, though by that point it would have taken a lot of specific circumstances for it to fall that way.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,359 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Been moved there in an emergency doesn't not mean he covers 12.

    POM does not cover wing.

    As flaky as Earls is at 13, he would be completely rail roaded at 12 against any decentb test team.

    He's never started a game at 12 in the last 10 years (which is as far back as I can go to check)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    And I see your true colours shining through… La La La



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Earls doesn’t need to start at 12, to cover it during a match.

    I don’t see Earls being involved (if he even makes the 33) beyond being used for Romania and Tonga, and as a 5th choice back three. The likelihood of him starting 12 in a must win match should be zero, given I expect we will take 4 centres who would all need to be injured before that would happen. If however we are playing Tonga with what I expect will be a second string team, and a few injuries occur requiring a reshuffle of the back line then Earls could definitely move to 12 if required. It’s such a strange thing to get hung up on though. The main point being if 4 centres selected, and 4 back 3’s selected, then the utility player being a back three who can cover centre would be preferable versus an out-half/12 who can cover 13 and the back three.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,493 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Ringrose, Henshaw, McCloskey, Aki, Crowley, Frawley, Byrne and Sexton have all started at 12 before. I don't think we'll be calling Earls to fill in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Well there could be a view taken that IRFU are going against the spirit of the ban and World Rugby might appeal the decision

    I'm not au fait with the full written laws around what a banned player can or can't do but I think playing behind closed doors doesn't mean it's not a game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    I doubt the Ireland team would go ahead with it without knowing it's ok. It's a training game at the end of the day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    FWIW, my expectation at this early juncture is that the 23 for SA (and every other must win match) will be a recognisably settled side that has won so much in the past year or two:

    1. Porter, 2. Sheehan, 3. Furlong,

    4. Beirne, 5. Ryan,

    6. O’Mahony, 8. Doris, 7. Van der Flier,

    9. Gibson-Park, 10. Sexton,

    11. Lowe, 12. Henshaw, 13. Ringrose, 14. Hansen,

    15. Keenan.

    R: 16. Kelleher, 17. Healy, 18. Bealham, 19. Henderson, 20. Conan, 21. Murray, 22. Crowley, 23. Aki.

    There are definitely debates to be had around 12, 20 and 22.

    Indeed there could be debates over a few other positions too.

    I reckon the 10 other squad members to make up the 33 will be as follows:

    Herring, Kilcoyne, O’Toole, McCarthy, Baird, Prendergast, Casey, Byrne, McCloskey, O’Brien.

    I think Earls is the next man up if any centre or back three pulls out.

    I think Coombes is next man up if any lock or back row pulls out.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,359 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    It literally says it's fully ok in the article



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Backrow is certainly between Prendergast and Coombes, provided Conan isn't crocked. Coombes is definitely in a strong position, given Prendergast didn't stand out yesterday.

    Can't see past Frawley getting the last out side back slot. Personally would take Osbourne, but his lack of game time makes that unlikely. If JOB is injured, he'd be the best option imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    It strikes me as odd that we have no prop cover in the squad at the moment.

    If a loose -head were required at short notice perhaps Loughman or Milne next up, and at tight-head perhaps John Ryan or Salanoa.



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