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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I don't know if I agree or not. I do agree that the MAGA agenda wouldn't just go away, but I don't think that anyone else in that movement could step in for Trump and trigger the same cult of personality that he has. It seems that a lot of this comes from absolute devotion to the man himself,like in a lot of cults that we've seen in the US over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    What a loser. Donny must have nothing to lose.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2023/0805/1398299-trump/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,334 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    If JFK Jnr can still be alive a small matter like Trump being dead is not going to stop MAGAs from following him. While simultaneously claiming the government has assassinated him/ has him hidden away or in prison somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And cults don't necessarily need their leader to be alive in order to hold together. in fact, death can be something of a boon for the movement as a whole, as Trump would go from a figure at a podium, to giant flattering likenesses hung up on banners, while his various 'truths' and tweets become arranged into a body of dogma. There would be successors - none as charismatic as Trump himself - but they would be stewards who would not have the movement for themselves. Trump is, for better or worse, a pretty singular individual and those around him are just riding his coattails in order to further their own careers. I think that on some level 'the base' can sense this, and it's why he cannot be truly usurped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,148 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    What he said is correct.

    Perhaps saying that Trump cannot get a fair trial in DC would be more accurate.

    That MSNBC show seems so melodramatic and fake.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Why isn't it a fair trial in DC, do you think trump's comments about DC as he drove to the courthouse helped him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You won't even say whether you think he's innocent or not.

    What does the fairness of the trial matter to you?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Trump didn't do anything except normalise a strain of American political discourse that already existed. His passing won't take that with him. The president had always stayed above the fray, but Trump leaned into and normalised a antagonistic, combative style of politics that was already circling the fringe; if the President set the bar, then thus your Matt Gaetz or Majorie Taylor-Greenes were given a bump of credibility, going double for their fawning buy in to the cult and some to the unitary executive theory (aka, despotism).

    So Trump dies, but if the GOP still indulges lunatic fringe then nothing will have been learned, and while the uneducated base still rage at DC and liberals, they'll be flirted with by whoever follows McConnell (who must also be on the way out by recent events).

    If anything I suspect it'll only get worse when a DeSantis but charismatic comes along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,148 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I havent made up my mind yet whether he is innocent or guilty, theres alot of information to go through and I am not a lawyer.

    What I think is irrelevant.

    I do know however that he wont get a fair trial in DC, Jack Smith is not objective, the DOJ is being weaponised by Trumps main Presidential opponent, the judge is biased, the jury will be likely to be biased as its a Democrat stronghold, 95%.

    It cannot possibly be a fair trial, and Id say that for any Republican.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The only change Donald Trump's death would have is his campaign emails would start saying Trump needs your money so he can fight for you from beyond the grave and Make Heaven Great Again!

    And f*ckheads will still donate....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The ones who are all witnesses against him? Only confirms the point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You have to hand wash his words. That’s very telling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How is Smith not objective?

    You again argue that Trump can rape anyone in DC and should be allowed to get away with it because he lost DC by too many votes. Hell “any Republican” they’re so authorized to commit heinous crimes in the district because ‘they can’t get a fair trial’ because nobody wants to vote for a criminal political class shock

    This only reveals how entrenched MAGA is. No longer about law order or morality even all about getting away with murder.

    All the information you need is in front of you. Do you need to rewatch the Jan 6 hearings or something? Maybe actually read the indictment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There's way more evidence as to Trumps guilt than there is as to Smiths objectivity, and yet you claim to not be able to express a view on the former but have a definitive position on the latter.

    Funny that.

    Why can it not possibly be a fair trial? And please show us the information you went through to determine that this was the case given that that is apparently what you must have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    You may well be right. Either way, the country is on a very dangerous path now. The 2024 election is absolutely massive and its vital that MAGA is defeated again. But it won't go away, as you said. Dark times ahead in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Where do you think your hero would get a fair trial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'm going to hazard at Munich circa April 1st 1924 😉

    Interesting that Trump may well be on trial on the 100th anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch. Given that Hitler managed to parlay his treason trial into a triumph? One can only wonder how Trump will do🤔 not that I have any worries about his oratory skills gaining his demagogic idiocy any more followers.

    The framing by Smith of the Jan 6th is IMO masterful, especially so as the QGOP seem hellbent on arguing it as a 1st amendment case, which the indictment itself, completely undercuts even before opening arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    And yet you've said nothing about Florida and judicial bias there.

    Just highlighting the hypocrisy.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I assume you're equally concerned that there might be a judge and jury in Florida that's biased towards Trump? We wouldn't want that either, would we? Considering that impartiality is apparently important to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Doc07


    I think you forgot the quotation marks?

    Just wondering because it reads like a typical Trump/Truth social ejaculation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Very good in depth piece here on the fake electors convening in Georgia. Those fake electors were too spun lies and left in legal peril. But Trump, Guiliani etc didn't give two hoots about their own loyal GOP operatives:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The DOJ cannot prosecute Trump and not be accused of being weaponised. No matter how much of a case there is, the usual suspects will scream that it is a witch hunt. Once you go after Trump, a major political figure, the accusation will be that the prosecution is politically-motivated. So, really, why even bother entertaining these ramblings? As for bias, I'm not sure there's a functional adult in the USA who does not know who Trump is or not have a notion about him already.

    Here we have a man who was talking about the 2020 election being rigged before the election even happened. We have him on tape trying to get the Georgian SoS to come up with more votes for him. We have him on tape admitting that he couldn't declassify those documents any longer, but was showing them off anyway. He is, at best, an ignorant windbag who has no business holding the responsibility of high office. He makes the crime that took down Nixon look twee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I doubt that he has a problem with the totally discredited Judge Aileen Cannon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    To be fair to Ted, he's doing a remarkable job even walking around each day, considering he's missing a spine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Everyone: Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two scenarios...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Said poster has been asked many times on their view of Cannon, alas my (and others) questions go unanswered (which in turn is definitely not trolling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There is no logical or legal defense of Trump, most people have to know this, even his lawyer, who must have had to have been COMMANDED by his client to go on TV and defend him the other night, even he could not smooth over the realities, openly admitting that his client wanted to take "Option D" (you're going to hear this phrase alot now, might as well be Option Donald), commit a violation of the law (John Eastman explicitly evidenced this in email format, quote "I implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation and adjourn for 10 days"). And that was someone with a bar card and was being paid to defend Donald Trump. What hope does any pleb have?

    There's nothing to defend here: the facts are prima facie and bare, he's going to be convicted, it will uphold on appeal, and the SCOTUS will not land on the grenade. The only thing that's left to discuss is how Trump is to be likely sentenced. Barr seems to argue no president, in any administration, under any DOJ, should ever see the inside of a jail cell, because of the optics of having a former president in jail. Utter bananas from a banana republican. Democracies are nations of laws and he is going for the 2-tiers of sentencing play, it's pathetic. How do Republicans think the US will remain stable if, convicted of these crimes, they are given a slap on the wrist. Fitch's credit rating will be the least of the US's concerns, we will be a pariah state. That is also true of people who just want to bury their head in the sand, vote him back in anyway because of tribe politics, you wouldn't have a country anymore, it would be everything the framers warned us about.

    “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

    -John Adams

    It's time some Americans put down their red hats and picked up their star spangled banners and have a bit of E Pluribus Unum and common sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Why'd you sell out the people? Why didn't you uphold the constitution sir!"

    "I upheld the constitution. Read it!"




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    True, but they probably need some aim prior to the leader dying. The only aim for MAGA is to blindly support Trump and all he says and does. Maybe a bit of throwing hate in the direction of non-MAGA-ists, but there isn't really any stated aim for them except treat Trump as a deity. Think they would all fall apart and become disinterested in anything political, just like before Trump came along.



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