Russia - threadbanned users in OP

For what its worth, I heard Russia had about 6000 tanks to start with and now have 1400. UA is supposed to have 1500.

If true...

Big hit.

Must have been gathered together for another motivational speech.

Well if he said "You are all going to die" he was spot on !

More or less what I'm thinking. They'll just have to grind down the Russians with artillery until they are dead or retreat and then move forward with armor.

I'm guessing Ukraine goes back into defensive mode but Russia continues to attack. They'll probably take more ground before next summer but at a huge cost.

I find it bizarre that you describe the forces of putin in Ukraine as a "buzz saw" and are taking it as read that the counter offensive by Ukraine is not working effectively to kill lots of moskovytes and further disable their ability to fight. It's like you are taking the propaganda from putin's side at face value and see the repeated showing of the same footage of Ukraine armed forces experiencing losses as representative of what is happening throughout the front lines where the Ukrainians have stated they are still forcing more losses on putin's army than they are experiencing themselves.

The estimates of putin's personnel liquidated by Ukraine released by Ukraine since the invasion of their country in February last year is moving close to quarter of a million and even if that does not concern putin it will make his position as uncontested leader more difficult to maintain as he increasingly looks like a dithering old fool who has been gullible enough to destroy his military and thousands of lives for nothing. The crimes his forces have and continue to commit on the people of Ukraine mean it will be very difficult for Ukraine to restrain themselves from making moskovytes pay for their crimes. I can't see there being much chance of them stopping their offensive and simply digging in and leaving putin's occupying forces not pay for what they are doing in their country even if there are some who would see the movie plot story of a rapid breakthrough of the moskovyte defensive lines and a simple fast end to the tragic war in Ukraine as the only outcome. I think Ukrainians will fight for their freedom from putin's terrorist state no mater how long it takes and they are making progress.

Here is what Ukraine says about putin's invasion over the last month in numbers:

putin has blood on his hands and I can't see a fast end to violence and deaths caused by his actions and it is very likely that there are now huge numbers of Ukrainians who have personal reasons to take action against moskovytes rather than simply digging in and hoping for the best like the girl in the pictures below which show the daughter of one of his victims.

Not sure if this was picked up in this thread. But it seems 20 army recruitment offices were attacked or attempted attacks yesterday in Russia. And get this.

All done by pensioners.

Definitely coordinated among the number.

I hope so. We're in August now and I can't see a major breakthrough happening this year. Russia will keep flooding the front line with reserve's until winter set's in and Ukraine will probably stop attacking for another year.

A sobering thought that the war rumbles on for at least another year. I hope we don't get mass missile strikes on their energy infrastructure during the winter month's and late as usual their allies send more air defence systems. The time to send them is now.

There's always a very simple way to end the war - Russia can stop the invasion and withdraw their troops. It's not good for Putin, but their reasons for starting the war were completely bogus, so they can end the war by declaring "mission accomplished".

A negotiation suggests Russia should gain something out of this - they shouldn't. They lost this war the moment they started it, but it'll take them some time to accept the fact. And any negotiation will have to come with guarantees for Ukraine, because Russia can not be trusted to hold on to any agreements.

And it is up to Ukraine to decide if they want to negotiate or not. At the moment neither side seems to be interested in negotiations, so that's not going to happen (for now at least).

..this is all just repeating the obvious, but maybe a reminder is necessary?

Agreed but it's not a stalemate in terms of both sides being spent. They're like boxers standing in the center of the ring throwing everything at it.

Unfortunately for Ukraine Russia don't value soldiers lives. So Ukraine makes small gains and takes a small village but Russia throws waves at it to take it back or stop the advance.

So Ukraine either settles for no counter or they're forced into a war of attrition.

Zelenskyy doesn't have the moral or legal authority to concede any land to the invading scum. Who would be the next for a bit of land grabbing on the back of slaughter? There is a distinct possibility of a type of civil war if he tried it, of course he knows this.

Also the idea that Putttin will take a slice and be content with that is hilarious.

Russia will continue to attack and try destroy Ukraine by every means possible before more than likely going for Kyiv again. Citing Mormons or Nazis or whatever scutter the drunken masses will liberally ingest.

Ukraine have no choice, they need to drive them out or they will never know "peace", unfortunately unless something radical happens it could take years.

"Saros and his Ilk..."

You were already doing well creating a typical Kremlin-sponsored "Stop the War!" post, but you just had to top it all off with that nice little bit of "Globalists" antisemetism to sweep the legs from under your own post.

There is no stalemate. The Russian's have been attempting to break through and failing (their northern push was defeated after a few days and is back to the previous lines) and the AFU are making a gradual advance across exteemly difficult conditions without air support, but they are advancing. Coupled with the huge logisitical headache of having several critical bridges taken out, the Russians are playing a zero-sum game of trying their best to hold on as much as possible...knowing that they have a finite amount of useful troops and useful equipment.

Sueing for peace now is only for the benefit of Russia, because it is them who cannot afford to continue this indefinatly. A peace deal with Russia should of course eventually happen, but the terms must be different to what Russia-fans expect. A complete a total withdrawal to the 1991 borders is an absolute requirement, as it should be, but thereafter the Russians will have to negotiate the price they must pay to re-enter the civilised world.

The days were Russia can level a demand that a country cannot join NATO or the EU are over. They can never do that again. The poster-child of Finlandisatrion, well....Finland, has gone to show that appeasing the Russians has a shelf-life and that giving them the finger and joining the defensive alliance is something you can do. The Russian Bear is now all roar, with no teeth.

They still pose a threat, not least to Ukraine while they still occupy a chunk of it. They will need to be somehow demilitarised. But this needs to be done carefully, the demilitarisation of Germany post WW1 set the stage for WWII. Germany had to be paritioned the second time around, which did create the prosperous NATO-membered West-Germany, but also generated the volitile and militaristic East Germany. These lessons from history need to be taken on board when attemping to de-fang a defeated Russian Federation.

I'd be more inclined to think that Zelensky would not be the one looking for a peace deal, under any circumstances until the last Russian has left Ukraine.