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BYD Atto 3 vs Tesla model Y standard

  • 15-07-2023 4:29pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭


    I am torn between these two.

    The model y costs about 6k extra - 47 vs 41 for top spec Atto 3.

    Both come with an LFP battery made by BYD, the Atto one is slightly higher capacity but range is very similar. As is 0-100km acceleration.

    The BYD comes with a sunroof that opens, android Auto and Apple car play. The Tesla has dashcam recording (BYD has better 360degree cameras but doesn't seem to record) and has some cool features like autlocking and starting.

    Tesla has a longer track record in Europe. and let's face it has a cooler badge/name recognition. The Atto on the other hand has nicer interior imo, just nicer feel to buttons/surfaces etc. Also prefer the gear selector in the Atto.

    both have pretty poor rear visibility, but I guess both have rear cameras to help make up for that.

    Tesla is a bit larger, with a good deal more boot space. They both have 11kw home charging, but the tesla has better DC charging, even though both using BYD blade battery.

    Android Auto might actually clinch it for me tbh, I really like the way that just opens google maps and spotify immediately on the screen, those are probably the two things I want on the screen from day to day.

    I've never had an EV before, I guess the point of this thread is because I am wondering am I missing anything that makes one really stand out ahead of the other? Any Atto or Model Y drivers can tell me a good reason why one beats the other?



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Price - Personal choice here based on personal budget.

    Space - Model Y wins here in every department.

    Home charging - both have 7kw charging, not 11kw (unless you have 3 phase).

    Interior - really personal here with what you like. I like minimalist design. The BYD has some strange centre console controls for the radio etc which I didn’t like. Flimsy rotating screen for what reason I don’t know.

    Google Maps - this is also on screen in the Tesla as it’s google overlay.

    Spotify - also immediately on screen in the Tesla.

    The best advice I can give us drive both to see what you like best. Everything else is subjective. You have to make sure you like what you drive.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Size wise

    BYD

    Model Y




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Why are you assuming Blade battery for the Y? Y has access to Tesla SuC network, does Atto have heatpump? I thunk the Y will have better resale value and the Tesla app is excellent, audio is top notch in the Y also.

    T



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Why not Model 3 may I ask? Just in the mix of the above two I mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,802 ✭✭✭✭JPA




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Atto isn't an SUV either though, and it and MY aren't competitors on any planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,802 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    They are marketing as one, but I agree. They are different realms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The Atto 3 is the much nicer car inside and outside compared to the Tesla and probably built better than the Tesla too but it's really up to you and your preferences.

    Test drive them and pick the one you prefer.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Keep smokin' 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    Thanks for help all. In fact I have been thinking about it further and decided to go with the BYD dolphin. It is more like a VW golf than an SUV, but surprisingly spacious inside, i guess because of there being no ICE and associated mechanics. It has the same motor, battery, wireless phone charging, V2L, heatpump and infotainment system with android auto/apple car play as the Atto 3. Lower ride height but still feels spacious inside. It has a panaromic sunroof that does not open like the Atto's does, but apart from that the only difference between it and the ATTO is the more plastic interior and that the sun-roof doesn't open. Also the Atto has nicer looking alloy wheels not a fan of the ones on the dolphin, oh and I don't think it has an electric automatically opening boot.

    I did test drive the Dolphin, the Atto and the Tesla model Y today.

    Definitely less luxurious feel than either the Tesla or the Atto, and I would prefer the higher ride height, but it will be more practical for my kids driving it and it is only 32k. I was thinking "well only another €9k for the Atto which looks better and feels more luxurious, but when I think of that in percentage terms - about 30% of the dolphin's cost - I realised I just don't care about that enough to justify paying 30% more. Seats are still leather and very comfortable in the dolphin and how often would I actually reach out to feel the soft dashboard on the Atto?

    Anyway thanks for comments. Fwiw I can think of one reason to prefer the tesla over the Atto not mentioned above - the Atto and the dolphin both play a humming sound at low speeds, to let pedestrians know you are there I guess, but I would prefer if it were silent. It disappears once you are up to speed but this means it plays everytime you pull away at traffic lights, which is not ideal. It is not very loud but it is loud enough to be audible in the car.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    “Probably built better”

    Tesla is probably built better than the BYD.

    😳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭rocky




  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Classic misinformation by a racist YouTuber. The video was from 2019 around which time the emissions standards changed. The older emissions cars couldn’t be sold if they weren’t registered before the national 6 standards came into law. There was company MicroCity that got into financial difficulties so that explains their cars in the video



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    It really depends on your budget constraints.

    The Model Y SR is more spacious for passengers and had more storage space, more powerful and has the supercharger network. However the Y is considerably more expensive. Model Y advertised boot capacity is very misleading by not including parcel shelf in the capacity measurements contrary to industry practice. Sound system and app is better in the Tesla but the Atto3 app is perfectly adequate.

    With Atto you can use Google maps or Waze so it wins on navigation choice. Tesla only uses a Google maps overlay.

    Atto has parking sensors front and rear unlike the terrible TeslaVision system which only use cameras to replace USS in the 2023+ Teslas.

    Atto has active mirror blind spot monitoring unlike the Tesla which only shows on the infotainment when you indicate. Much safer implementation in the Atto3. Atto 3 has 4 rear facing radars which is used for rear cross traffic alert/braking and rear collision warning.

    Atto 3 boot can be opened with a touch of a physical button from the drivers seat unlike the Tesla which requires you to either use a voice command or the display. Atto 3 has more tactile buttons for various functions unlike the Tesla. Atto 3 has a drivers display.

    You can turn off the air vents in the Atto 3 using a physical slider switch unlike Tesla which is quite complicated to do on the infotainment screen.

    Tesla has heat pump, atto 3 also has a heat pump.

    Atto 3 real world range is about 325km, Model Y SR is 350km according to evdatabase so the Y is more efficient.

    Atto 3 has a less annoying standard drivers assistance system. I hate the guitar strings on the Atto 3 doors, utterly pointless piece of design.

    Gumbo mentioned the rotating screen was flimsy. Funny because I found the opposite is true. I found it to be very sturdy and doesn't rock when I hit potholes or nagivate the screen.

    On build quality it's hard to know yet because it's early days. It couldn't be worse than Tesla which was well known particularly for panel gaps and soft paint(much improved panel gaps on MiC Y's).

    IMO the Atto 3 is the better value for money given that it's considerably cheaper, more safety tech and better overall warranty. I know the Atto 3 doesn't have sentry style system but you could hardwire a front and rear dashcam.

    I think the Atto 3 will depreciate more than the Model Y.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    All very good comparisons.

    Air vents on the MY can be turned off with one touch on the screen. The climate is permanent on display in the bottom right and touching it turns it on/off.

    How does the warranty differ? I thought they both had the same 4 year general and 8 year battery/drivetrain?

    Boot opening on the MY is a one touch on the main display once in park. No messing about with displays or voice commands as mentioned.

    Build quality is on par with each other as you’d expect at the cheap end of the market. I too wouldn’t expect one to massively better than the other here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    The Atto has a 4 year general vehicle warranty up to 120k kilometres(exclusions apply of course). Drive Motor warranty 8 years/150k kilometres, Battery is 8 years 200k kilometres.

    Another positive for the Tesla I forgot to mention is the Ranger service which is fantastic.

    Re the air vents, I'm talking about turning off driver/ passenger vents separately. The front passenger can't turn off the vents on their side, You can only turn off all vents which isn't ideal. Maybe that changed in recent software updates?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    200k is good in fairness. Hopefully never needed. I think the Tesla is 192k for the dual motors.

    Not sure about turning off the dual zone separately but in a small closed cabin of a car it makes no difference. Dual zone in itself is useless in any car IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,891 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Dual zone climate control.

    As John bishop said "you're sitting here at 15 degrees and the other person is right there at 30 degrees. So unless you're an African giving an Eskimo a lift it's useless" 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    I'm with you on the dual zone point but some of my family like to turn the vents off on their side, it's a unnecessary but nice option to save listening to complaints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,794 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    you’d get a good sea breeze with those temperatures difference. The warmer air will raise to the top sucking in the cooler air from your neighbour



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,221 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Fairly sure that Tesla use CATL batteries in shanghai built Model Y's, not BYD ones which are Berlin produced, although it shouldn't affect your decision as both are highly rated batteries



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    ..and the CATL are higher capacity so slightly longer range IIRC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭Buttros



    Not available yet but maybe a closer comparison to the MY. Would expect it to be between the Atto 3 and MY price wise. Performance is underwhelming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    I pulled the trigger today. Decided to go for the Atto 3.

    Android auto (and apple car play for the rest of my family), sunroof that opens, the slightly larger infotainment screen and more importantly the smaller screen showing speed, range, charge etc. behind the steering wheel tipped the balance for me. I prefer that to looking over at central screen for checking speed etc. and I like having that sort of information displayed all the time while still having maps + spotify on the main one. And tbh there is a reason why standard cars put the speedometer right in front of the driver and not in the middle of the car.

    I also much prefer the gear selector in the Atto and the soft touch surfaces. I prefer the look of the Atto interior, though obviously there will be plenty for whom their preference goes the other way. I'm not sure if the tesla has a wireless phone charging pad? that isn't a huge deal for me but it seems to be a big deal for my (young adult) children.

    I think I prefer the Atto seats, though tbh that last is pretty even and probably a matter of personal taste.

    There's not alot of difference in price (for the standard spec Tesla - the gap obviously widens for the higher models) but what difference there is is in favour of the Atto. As against that I suspect the resale value of the Atto will probably be lower because the badge recognition of a tesla is better, maybe that will change over time though, who knows.

    Either car would check all the core boxes for me tbh, comfortable to drive and ride in and safe. I'm not looking for 0-60 in 4 seconds, in fact that would be a negative for me since my kids are driving around in the car, but I do want enough to overtake quickly and safely and to be nippy in changing lanes in traffic.

    Model Y is a little roomier but the Atto is plenty roomy enough. Either one is roomy for four adults and a little tight for 5.

    3 years ago I would have laughed at anyone who told me I would ever be buying a new car rather than second hand, but I am really looking forward to picking it up next weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,005 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Ordered today, picking up next week? That's quick, @Fian. Well wear!

    Do you mind sharing how much the total cost of the car was?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,005 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Ordered today, picking up next week? That's quick, @Fian. Well wear!

    Do you mind sharing how much the total cost of the car was?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Enjoy the new car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Congratulations @Fian on making the right decision for you and your family. I hope it gives you many years of pleasant trouble free motoring.

    Do share a few pictures when you get it unlike some people who promise too and then never do. Yes you know who you are.

    Only picked up their new car for there better half there recently and did not share the pics of it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭staples7


    Best of luck with it, I still couldn't look past the Y in this match up, but im guessing you're saving 6-7k?

    I get MG vibes from the Atto regards exterior or an older model Sportage. The back is nice though.

    Interior could age badly also , again in my opinion.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    The Atto and Model Y are not in the same vehicle segment but I can see why people would compare them. If ones budget is already stretched at €40K then you can't seriously consider a Model Y. And if you're not into fast acceleration then the Atto 3 is the best buy in this electric crossover segment, it has the most hardware tech, decent range, decent space, and a great warranty for an affordable price.



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Congratulations Fian, I'm certain you'll love it. I know you were considering a Dolphin but you made the right choice going for the Atto. Make sure to order some charging cards so you don't get stuck if going on a long journey. The option of being able to use either Apple CarPlay or Android Auto is brilliant.

    If I were you I would get a heat gun, some floss and take off that Build your dreams slogan off the rear, it sounds too American for my liking and looks awful. I wish they didn't build the slogan into the Dolphins light bar, can't remove it unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    €40,949. From BYD South Dublin in Dean's grange. This will be €1,500 more expensive next month I understand - BYD are making up the cut in the govt grant until the end of July but not after that.

    They were not doing that for the Dolphin (which is not yet in) so the difference between them was €8k. My wife much prefers the higher ride height of the Atto over the dolphin - our current cars are a Ford Galaxy and a Ford Ecosport which has now been replaced by this car, so we are used to a higher driving position. We may yet buy a dolphin when we replace the Galaxy but that car is still going strong and it is handy for us to have a 7-seater since we are a family of 6, albeit with my three sons all being over 6 foot it is rare we all squeeze into it anymore. Still nice to have the option if we need it.

    Thanks to all who posted helpfully in this thread, was useful. Now i just have to figure out what to do about getting a home charger for it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Walllbox is €599 after grant from Ecoplex.

    Zappi is €799 after grant from easygo.

    the 2 above appear to be the best deals available at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    Sorry to keep pestering for advice - can i just ask is it advisable to get two chargers for when I will presumably eventually have two electric cars? Presumably the labour/call out is a significant part of the price, but maybe tech is improving so it would make more sense to just get one for now and get a second in a few years when required?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Your incoming supply will be the limit. One charger at 32a is the max on single stage.

    What most people will do it rotate charging. You can be charging one car at 32a on the charger or lower if you want and then use the 3 pin plug to do the other. Just pick which one needs it.

    If you get 2 chargers they will have to share the same 32a supply so both supplying 3.6kW only.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,005 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It is very unlikely your house electrical supply is strong enough to power 2 car charge points at 7.4kW each at the same time. But by all means get the wiring done. I have 2 EVs and I can charge them at the same time, one from a proper EV charge point, the other on the granny cable on an outside waterproof socket that has its own dedicated 16A RCBO in my consumer unit (it's own "group" in layman speak)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I got two in for the same reason. First one put in on the back left corner of the house when I was getting the grant. Ended up being a little annoying to always park at the park then walk to the front. Had a phev at time time so I'd to plug in 3-4 times a day.

    When I bought the MG they threw in a free charger so I got the second one put on the front left corner of the house. Which is where I park and far more useful. Even though it is used maybe once every week or two 😀


    It's unlikely you will need to charge two cars at once, but you never know. The chargers will share to power so each gets 3.5 rather than both getting 7.

    Post edited by Grumpypants on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭eagerv


    We have two EVs. Each does approx 17k/year. Never had the need for two chargers, but it would depend very much upon personal usage.

    The missus leaves very early and occasionally plugs me in for the last few hours at cheap rate. But we also have solar so if a car at home by day we use that also. But unless you are doing crazy mileage each car with us anyway only needs to charge once or twice a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    thanks all, i guess we will go for one then. I wonder will the electricity grid infrastructure have to be upgraded when most homes in the country eventually move to EVs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 MartyMcFly1989


    Good choice, a better built car and also better looks. Good luck with it.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Shouldn’t. They use less power when charging than your power electric shower. Nobody seems to care that every house is fitting one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,005 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    EVs are almost exclusively charged at night when most of the time we have far too much electricity already. This will of course change if / when more and more people without home charging will buy EVs and charge during the day. And the grid has to be upgraded significantly anyway over the next few decades as we move away from burning fossil fuels and use electricity instead. Like for home and office heating, hot water heating, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,891 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Will the pressure be somewhat relieved on the grid if more people start installing solar? Or will our energy needs keep increasing regardless?

    Sorry it's a bit of a random question that may have no answer!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Yes it certainly reduces pressure during peak hours, during May about 10% of the country's electricity was generated by Solar. About 75% of solar energy is produced between May-Sept so more investment is needed in wind to makeup for this reduction during winter months but there's too many NIMBYS against wind turbines. The investment cost is too high at present for solar even accounting for grants, especially for the squeezed middle who don't have a whole pile of disposable income leftover after all bills are paid.

    Grants need to be increased to encourage uptake, or cheap loans provided. The government missed a big opportunity when ECB rates were near 0%, they could have provided incredibly cheap loans to encourage investment but they didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭Fian


    Pretty significant setback today. Apparently the Atto 3 is in insurance class 38, my insurer (AXA) will not insure named drivers under 24 on the car because the class is higher than 36. My previous car was class 5 so this is a pretty big jump. I have 4 kids all named on my previous car.

    The Tesla is class 46 so would be even worse.

    Does anyone have insurance covering kids under 24 as named drivers on either of these cars? If so would you mind letting me know which insurer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Maybe an idea for a new thread you could start as it's you that has encountered this setback. Ask what insurance is like on electric cars maybe.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    My insurance dropped when switching over to an EV from a diesel SUV, even considering the replacement value was 10X

    Cold be your broker/underwriter combo - definitely make an inquiry over at Royal & Sun Alliance via 123.ie who seem to "get" the EV market.

    Inexperienced drivers and EVs not necessarily a good mix perhaps? Imagine that will settle down somewhat.

    UK insurance groupings not necessarily a good indicator in the Irish market btw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Did you try many other insurers for a quote? There is surely a company that will insure them. I encountered a similar issue with insurance classes before with some insurers but eventually went with FBD who was happy to quote, some are more risk averse than others. It is a pain calling around for quotes but it will be worth your time.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s been asked 100’s of time.

    Insurance is very personal. One company might be 1000e and the next 234e.

    One company might not insure me and will insure you and your 5 kids.

    The only factual outcome from all the insurance threads is that you have to bite the bullet and ring around them all to get quotes and go with the best policy/cost that suits you.

    Another insurance thread will be just full of posts naming every insurer in the country as that what was good for that poster.

    For example, on previous threads, Allianz wouldn’t insure a tesla for someone, yet I was paying 236e for a 762bhp Model S with Allianz. QED.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Insurance threads get moved to insurance sub-forum https://www.boards.ie/categories/insurance-aircraft-maritime-motor



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