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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Did it though at 4.50 and meal at 400/ton best twist was made from mid December to early march



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Factories around the midlands all full up this week. Marts very busy too with heavier store cattle. Grass is gone very tight with lads around here and land very wet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    Another Factory blockade is needed. If you have cattle hold firm make the Factories pay for them. They see it's easy we ( the Factories) keep dropping the price yet Farmers queue up to offload. It is a no win situation. I can't believe the prices that I paid for cattle and thought they were value for money. They are not worth what I paid for them it is a no win situation. Farmers need to put manners on the Factories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    how exactly could a blockade work .last time during the blockade the big farmers who kept supplying got paid more.This year the small supplier is getting squeezed he might even do better in the mart.

    looking ar the beef price app back a few weeks ago,I battled hard to get a good price and according to lads here I did good but still at least 10 cent below average and probably 20 cent below what the big boys are on



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Unless you’re a big supplier or feedlot, then you will always lose to the factory (or at the mart).

    The alternative is to spend years tweaking a system that suits you, like a few Premier League lads on here, and then you’ll make a few quid most years.

    After that, there’s the rest of us - making a few quid here and there, and hanging in there.

    The beef game for farmers is over in Ireland and the battle was lost over the last 2 decades.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I see 4.60 as a floor like the old 3.60....

    If it goes below that...lads will be outside factories blockading....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    I can't see any location or grouping willing to take on the factories with a blockade. Last time you had a fledging beefplan which had gathered momentum. Unless the farm orgs are willing to group



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    The butcher says that he used always have a few pound in the post office from the lamb skins and offal and them things. Now it’s opposite and he has to pay to take it away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The SRM is costing him. It's a controlled material. There is only one entity in charge of it in the Republic. Along with that there is a distance limit you can travel with it.

    As you get nearer the border there is more competition

    The big lads all got shafted in the end as well, they got 3.45/ kg like everyone else. Ya the processor were offering them more to break through the strike, but very few got through.

    It's hard to say how many are getting extra and if much extra. Really good article in the FI saying that 26% of the kill so far this year was feedlot cattle. That is all contracted. This is all now allowed as feedlot beef. Get on to the minister because it not photos of feedlots that Boards via or Larry use on there brochure. There was an article about a ( was it a Dawn) feedlot in the Midlands gushing about its systems ( I think in Agriland ) nearly all the land was in tillage.

    Look at the FJ and the campaign it ran to get U16 month bulls included in grass fed.

    We need an organisation that will throw sh!t and keep throwing sh!t about issues like this until it sticks

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    If I could like this 10 times I would: We need an organisation that will throw sh!t and keep throwing sh!t about issues like this until it sticks

    That's pretty much what the processors did: kept lobbying the Dept and TDs until there was no objections to consolidation of the processing sector and the creation of their cartel.

    The battlefield involves shiny shoes on the carpet in Kildare St. not wellies at factory gates.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    A Factory Blockade is simple you just don't let the Factories have the Cattle that they have to pay for then if they want them. Then they see that the Farmers are setting the price. The Farmers always give in too easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Why should some farmers decide whether the factories get cattle or not?.If factories can't supply a customer they go somewhere else. Stock then build up on farms go overage . The farmers then loose again same as last time. Took months to clear backlog



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭leoch


    Yes and rte will report on the news that the bad farmers are causing the factories to lay workers off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭somewhat disappointed


    I work in a Factory myself I know how unfairly treated their workers are someone has to stand against the Factories. If you are happy losing money on your Cattle keep doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Something simple along the lines of over booking cattle and then sending them to the mart that day instead. Enough farmers doing that collectively accros the country would mess up lines and have them juggling for numbers.

    The biggest issue for us as farmers is to have unity. Very hard and next to near impossible. It's dog eat dog



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    Feedlots are the lifeblood of the factories. Starve them for cattle and you'll hurt the factories. If lads stopped rearing so many calves and instead carry what they buy to finish it would mean factories wouldnt have an endless selection of reared cattle in marts to stick on the grain drip and dictate the markets.

    Promote a real grass-fed beef market abroad and actually produce grass fed beef.

    Promote the live export anything with 4 legs.

    None of this will happen of coarse. The shooting down of the suckler reduction scheme by our farming bodies shows us that levels of production will be held high at all costs to the farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭DBK1


    You must be a factory agent!? The cheapest place for factories to get cattle is the mart. If no farmer brought anything heavier than 400kgs to the mart factory prices would rise instantly as the factories would have to coax the heavy stock out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭DBK1


    This exactly. If lads start finishing their own stock and keep away from the marts it would solve a lot of problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Marts are full of runner calves under 140kg at the moment,farmers paying up to €450 for them, im no accountant but the minute the hammer fall the buyer has signed his contract to loose money..can't blame the feedlots or factory for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    Yeah those runners are a particularly bad buy. But lads will buy anything to keep the grass down. I was considering buying 10 or 15 Husqvarna robot lawnmowers to patrol the farm for the next 10 months - they'd be cheaper to run and at least I'd know what they'd be worth in May next year. In the end I bought 400-450kg stores for €900-1000. Think I'd feel less of a fool with the robot lawnmowers...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'm no longer looking at livestock units to the hectare but hectares to the livestock unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Niallers87


    What would one want to be paying for those 140kg runners to leave a margin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Worst animal you could buy to keep down grass,they need the best of grass not what's going/gone strong..the fr bullock is the lad to keep down grass..no worries about moves or QA..bit of value in them at the minute too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,428 ✭✭✭tanko


    0.1 LU/Ha is the most important number for the next five years anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    it would depend on breed and quality. 140kgs is poor enough weight for what are now 5-6 months of age cattle. however we are after a month of rain and cattle are starting not to weigh. however anything bucketfed that is that light is now often poorly bred, with bad weight per day LW gain. Starting to see pure friesian breeding that is failing to hit 600kgs at 28-30 months. It was just the AA or HE you had to watch before now it nearly everything.

    this would definately put the wind up factories. Too many lads carrying cattle to 500+ kgs and then selling.Feedlots buy them stuff them with ration and sell to the factory. They have high cost systems and need cheap stores to survive,

    I am getting cagy about them, Beware those 300-400kg nice fleshy looking square stores. These is breeding piut there now that is similar to the poorer AA's. 4-500 grams per day and trundle along.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Weighed the angus calves here 2 week ago and average weight was 140 kg for bulls and heifers mixed. Probly 20kg off target but hopefully the red clover silage during the winter has the similar effect angel dust effect as it had on last years calves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭Robson99


    The above would mean that Bord Bia, Teagasc and the IFA would have to get the finger out and do something productive for the farmer. No chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Far from it, haven't a thick neck for that game. Less than 5% of stock coming in or going out of the place goes through the mart. I just focus on what I can control to improve profitability inside the gate.

    The beef trade relationship between farmers and processors, reminds me of a bad marriage. Both need each other, one partner has coercive control over the other and is sleeping around a bit with more attractive suppliers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Far from it, haven't a thick neck for that game. Less than 5% of stock coming in or going out of the place goes through the mart. I just focus on what I can control to improve profitability inside the gate.

    The beef trade relationship between farmers and processors, reminds me of a bad marriage. Both need each other, one partner has coercive control over the other and is sleeping around a bit with more attractive suppliers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭893bet


    And the other partner likes to take it up the arse?



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