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COYGIG - Women’s Football World Cup 23 **Mod Warning in Post #58**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,544 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Well, they're about as good as the mens team anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,740 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Very one dimensional analysis. You focus on cheap points and miss out the good stuff they did.

    Some of the best in the world have been dumped out of tournaments too so they are hardly unique for that.



  • Posts: 276 Alaia Brief Tear


    In fairness I would be shocked if the Irish women's national team could beat the Irish Under 15s boys team.

    I really do hate to say it but Women's football is going nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Point missed entirely but anyway, I’ll try again, there are very loud voices from all quarters calling for the women’s game to be treated with the same respect that the men’s game has, and as we all know calls for same pay and conditions. With all that, they should not only expect criticism when it’s due, but the media and general public should be respectful enough to give an honest and “equal” appraisal of how they did, that’s not happening, quite the opposite in fact, you’d swear they did well and got to the knock out stages. Reality is, they couldn’t have done any worse.

    By the way those best teams in the world that have been dumped out of tournaments early are generally lambasted for being shįt, and rightly so. What we are seeing this evening and all day is nauseating adulation for a silly fluke goal and all that hero nonsense. You should really accept there was little to no “good stuff” which is why they are out after two games, third team to be knocked out of WC on day 7, pathetic outcome really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    The USA women’s team got beaten 5-2 recently by an under 15 boys team from Dallas so you’re probably right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,873 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Probably a bit harsh to say it’s going nowhere, the national team just qualified for and participated in their first World Cup…. That is progress to be fair….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,740 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We treated mens teams exactly the same. Teams that didn’t qualify even.

    There was critical analysis and the usual hype and patronising well done/heroes stuff as well.

    I think you couldn’t be more of the mark tbh, it’s proved itself and is here to stay and the begrudgers will always be here too fatalistically watching what they shouldn’t for their own mental health



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Not true. People on Boards for example are still losing their sh1t about Ireland being beaten by Luxembourg a couple of years ago.

    on the game today, I thought the first half was actually the best I’ve seen the Irish team play, but ultimately a lack of quality caught up with them in the second half.



  • Posts: 276 Alaia Brief Tear


    National and International women's football is going nowhere globally.

    It's not self sustainable and never will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I’m nearly sure that line (or something very similar) has been used before in the men’s game. Was there a German international called Bachman ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    How can you look at how much the women’s game had grown over the past few decades and say with such confidence that women’s football is “going nowhere?”

    The problem is that there is a minority of mouthy dinosaurs who insist on looking at the women’s game only through the prism of the men’s game.

    Yes women can not out-play men (even adolescent men) and the women’s games are tactically naive compared to the men’s game but so what? You can make the exact same comparisons between men’s Gaelic footballers and professional soccer players in the Premier League, particularly when it comes to tactical naivety (I have been watching Gaelic for many years and the fact remains that after almost 140 years tactics are non-existent in Gaelic football, this can be illustrated by how the GAA have to adjust the rules every time a tactical philosophy is dominant. GAA coaches refuse to develop the intellectual acumen to adjust new tactics to influence a game once a trend is dominant).

    You can also make similar comparisons between how women’s soccer is hyped and the artificial inflation of interest in rugby by the SoCoDu boy’s club in RTE.

    People don’t make these comparisons, of course, because it’s unfair to compare every other sport to men’s soccer: the most popular sport in the world.

    Women’s football is improving in leaps and bounds, in twenty years we won’t be able to recognise it. Games will still need to be played and world cups will need to be held in the interim in order to develop the sport, that’s how it works. People need to stop moaning about women playing soccer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    “Begrudger”….I took my young son out to Tallaght stadium only a short few weeks ago to watch ROI Vs Zambia, and we were behind the goal and leapt up with Barrett’s superb header. I brought him to teach him a valuable lesson about how women’s football and sport is also at an elite level, I was in the vast, vast minority of both men and fathers with their sons there, so kindly reserve your judgements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    The game is more popular than it has been for a century, what are you on about?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    “We treated the mens team exactly the same”

    First article I looked for, you honestly believe if the mens team got knocked out after two games with two goals scored one of which was an own goal and the headlines that evening would read “Ireland have shown they belong on biggest stage”. Laughable.


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  • Posts: 276 Alaia Brief Tear


    There is no issue with women playing football or having leagues or tournaments .

    But the growth of women's football solely relies on the investments generated from the mens game and that's fact.

    Women's football doesn't generate the finances to progress themselves and makes no effort to attract women spectators to the games.

    Women's world football would progress if they put in the effort themselves to gain support from Women worldwide. But they won't.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,449 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There were 75,000 people at the Australia-Ireland game (mostly women). Those are seriously big numbers for any team sport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    So what?

    If you think that every other sport relies solely on commercial income (as opposed to club membership, government grants etc) then you’re living in cuckooland, man. Cuckooland

    The Premier League and Champions League have conned people into thinking that a sport is only legitimate when it generates huge commercial income, when the reality is that barely any sport exists as a profit making enterprise.

    Should children not be encouraged to play sport because the U9s Shamrock Rovers team is supported by the investments of the senior men’s team?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I think you make good points here , relative to the much higher ranking nations ireland played at this WC, Ireland far from disgraced themselves

    my five year old daughter is a very sporty little girl ( her seven year old brother isn’t sporty ) and was really enjoying the two matches so us appearing at the WC is very valuable for young girls, sport is wonderful for kids and soccer largely speaking isn’t a dangerous game, if more girls take it up as a result of this WC, that’s a success

    it really doesn’t matter a jot if it’s a slow game etc compared to the men’s , judge it on its own merits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    I just can't fathom how our tiny country losing by a goal to the 7th and 10th best countries in the world is an embarrassment , a disgrace and whatever other idiotic descriptions people have put on it. They clearly don't follow and don't like women's football , that's fine but your opinion on it then is pretty pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Fotish


    I think you make a good point there. Soccer is a great game to play , unfortunately at this level it is not a great game to watch.

    Some people on here seems to think that it should be obligatory to watch and praise the Ireland’s women team, wrong approach in my opinion.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    I see the next USA game is on at 2 AM, maximising the audience by having it on 9 PM New York time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭TheProudHighway


    Which people are saying that? I haven’t seen anyone say it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would agree the goal was a fluke, and Ireland made some very silly mistakes - even going back to that last game Sheva giving away that penalty to the Aussies/'Matilda's. Putting hand on a players back like Sheva did is asking for trouble, that is nothing to do with skill it is just cop on. It was needless.

    But sure if the whole thing gets a few more girls involved in sport then would be otherwise it is no bad thing IMO. To me it is more about improving participation levels at the moment, getting more people involved/interested etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,321 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    In the context of people at the game it looks good, but many would have been Irish and Canadians in Perth. Canada has access to the same working holiday visa as Irish do so there tends to be a lot of Canadians in Australia.

    But what's more telling is what I heard George Hamilton say on 2FM Wednesday evening.

    He said you had to go five pages deep in the sports section of the local Perth daily paper to find a mention of the world cup.

    And all that it was was a preview of the next Australia game, and game reports of the previous days games.

    Not even a mention of the game to be played that night in Perth between Ireland and Canada.

    So it doesn't bode well if that is the level of local interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,449 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Don't forget to mention the thousands of tickets given away free just to fill up the stadiums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,168 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,321 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Sorry, but I'm going to stick with the first hand evidence from George, a guy who works for RTE who are hyping this no end.

    I'm sure that stat could be torn asunder with stats about NRL or AFL (both regional sports) viewing figures.



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