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Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,240 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not as good imo, unless you're a big biopic fan. There will be blood is in a different genre of film

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,593 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    We’ve all got one chance to watch a film for the first time. Choosing to watch a new, wide-release film (that, unlike most major new releases, goes above and beyond to provide the best possible cinematic quality) in the worst possible quality is beyond baffling to me.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,240 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I loved the Feynman scenes. Jack Quaid played him and added some humour

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw it last night and i hate to say it but I didnt enjoy it nearly as much as I expected. Nolan just went in a completely different direction with this than I thought he would. It was senate state hearing heavy and I think Nolan made a big mistake going with that angle. The Genesis of the Atomic bomb is an absolutely fascinating story but I feel like there was very little screen Time given to exactly how they made this thing. It was like, get some scientists together in the desert and then.......we're at trinity! A better and more interesting story would've been a race against Heisinberg and his crew. And then show the bombing mission at the end of it all. I feel that was a strange choice not to let the audience see things play themselves out. There was so much room in there for philosophy, for God, for a study of genius but that was all traded in favor of courtroom drama, which wasn't very dramatic because it was security clearance at stake and not a matter if jail. Cillian Murphy is excellent and so is RDJ but I think Emily blunt steals every scene she's in. She is absolutely brilliant. As some have said, it's too long, I mean the build up to trinity was thrilling but then......back to the hearings!!! This was the point where they should've been off to Hiroshima for the bombing mission. They lost the audience at that point, I could literally feel this in the Cinema.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I don't think the bombing needed to be shown. The film is rooted in Oppenheimer's perspective and he didn't see that happen, he wasn't even formally told about it, he found out the same way as everyone else. I thought it was a good choice to keep that off screen, it serves Oppenheimer's personal story and the film is actually about him, not the bombings per se.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭santana75


    But as a spectacle the film lost momentum at that point. Like I mentioned, you could literally feel people lose interest in the film when they jumped to more hearings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I think the film could have had about 30 mins shaved off for sure. But I didn't disagree at all with the decision to not show the bombings, I thought it was correct. Oppenheimer didn't see them himself, so it made sense to keep it off screen. Leaving his perspective to show some explosions that he didn't even witness himself would have been jarring imo.

    Obviously the political discrediting and discarding of Oppenheimer post-WWII is a big part of his story, so I'm not surprised the story focused on that. Personally though, I felt it was at its strongest when it focused more on his personal moral crisis around the use of the bomb rather than the political fallout, and I wondered if there was a way of leaning into that without getting heavy into political hearings. Emily Blunt's character has a great line about him trying to get the world to forgive him even though they never will and I thought that got to the truth of his character more than anything and I wanted more of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    100%.

    I think it also gives more weight because the viewer has their imagination to consider the consequences, instead of being drip fed newsreel images.

    I do agree there could have been more discussion on the philosophy of the whole thing. It seemed like it all started out as a few scientists throwing ideas out there and then getting excited about where that could take them in hypotheticals. Then the military caught wind of it and it all got too real too quick.

    There was one scene where Oppenheimer says something along the lines of 'Theory will only get you so far' when they're discussing the possible chain reaction and 'almost zero' chance of it happening. I think the film showed the difference between the scientists who wanted to explore possibilities and push the boundaries of possibility and the politicians/military who were happy to take responsibility and put those theories into practice and disregarding the humanitarian consequences by wrapping them up in patriotism and justification for war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Def needed 30 minutes shaved off in the last hour .4.5 stars of Entertainment Ireland is probably about right .Murphy WAS great .But yeah needed less courtroom drama and more science .Host of stars ….



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,593 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There has been a bit of ‘internet disquiet’ in some quarters about not showing the Japanese perspective on proceedings. But, to the film’s credit, it absolutely does not downplay the nature of the bombings. Also, it’s a film with a determined sense of perspective (two, in fact) - the film is aggressively focused on two people who had no first-hand experience of the bomb, and their remove from the practical reality of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings is an important part of their story. It’d break the very form & structure of the film to suddenly add more perspectives in there.

    Also, to use the bombing itself - the mission or the aftermath - in the name of additional spectacle would be a pretty gross and IMO ethically dubious approach to the material. The film is certainly spectacular in some respects, but in a decidedly different and more nuanced way than, say, a Saving Private Ryan or modern spectacle film. Nolan is interested in using the canvas in a more interesting way.

    Japanese filmmakers have spent decades confronting the aftermath of the atomic bomb attacks, in everything from documentary films to genre fare like Godzilla. This is the American side of the story, and to the film’s credit it’s deeply, deeply critical of the stark reality of the decision the Truman administration made. I don’t think anyone could come out of this film feeling anything other than deep horror and sadness at the consequences of Oppenheimer’s ‘creation’. The film does not pull its punches.

    I definitely think the film switches gear quite dramatically and requires a bit of a readjustment quite late into the film. But the destination definitely justified that approach IMO,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭MickH503


    Did anyone see it in 70mm at the IFI? How does it look?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,593 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Fantastic. Pristine print, as expected (it’s brand new). Lovely analogue colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭MickH503


    Fantastic. Pristine print, as expected (it’s brand new). Lovely analogue colour.


    Brilliant, thanks! I will try see it this week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Yeah, I never felt the film was trying to glorify the bombings or even vindicate or exonerate Oppenheimer himself. It's steadfastly critical of the whole project imo, and I came away from it feeling like Oppenheimer got involved with it initially for quite short-sighted and even egotistical reasons and it spiralled out of his control. His attempts to still his own conscience later on just comes across as a desperation to be martyred, which his wife's comment towards the end needles at. It's an interesting character study of which I wanted a bit more character and less political scheming.

    Also yes, there is lots out there on the Japanese perspective on the bombs and the war in general. Grave of the Fireflies might be one of the best war films there is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,414 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    An extremely (mostly) well acted, directed and staged bum numb-er of a film. Murphy is sensational in the lead (Oscar favourite got to be) and the cast is stellar Blunt probably the other standout, but it was long and felt it. A few walk outs at the packed screening I was at.

    Downey Jr clearly picking this after the marvel projects to go for some award kudos...but to be honest it felt like he was a tad one note, limited imo.

    The whole courtroom section in black and white left me very cold and felt very by the numbers rousing Hollywood film.

    Overall I would still recommend it but if I could watch this or Barbie again give me Barbie any day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Just out , IFI was worth it. Packed screen, visually impressive. At the end not one person jumped up from seat, not sure if they were sort of stunned but people slowly started to leave.

    Movie flew by for me , not sure how anyone would want half an hour shaved off. You don’t rush a story like this , cause runtime.

    I watched a documentary on it yesterday (as some suggested) and found it helped me keep up with what was going on. It does mean you know some of the stuff that happens but I’m glad I could follow.

    As for supposed complaints in twitterversee about the Japanese perspective, the movie was all about Oppenheimer. Had they started to bring in a completely different Japanese narrative it wouldn’t have worked and would have only distracted from the story. There was enough in Oppenheimers story, we didn’t extra meat to it.

    Was a great movie , one for cinema , not watching a Cam version (what’s wrong with you?)

    9-10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Does anyone know what percentage of Oppenheimer is shot on IMAX ?

    From I understand they can't shoot any dialogue scenes on IMAX.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    I was wondering whether he featured much in the film, glad he's at least mentioned. Do they mention his safe cracking antics etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭tjhook


    It's a long movie, but didn't feel all that long. As others have said, the first 2 hours flew by. I'd be tempted to say a definite oscar for Cillian Murphy, except I can't remember what other great performances I might have missed this year.

    I was impressed by Robert Downey Jr and Emily Blunt too. The last RDJ role that really impressed me was Tropic Thunder. But that was a very different role and movie. Hopefully this is the start of things to come for him. Until somebody reminds me of the other movies I've completely forgotten where where he's equally good :)

    I'm not sure this movie needs a very big screen, but I did feel the cinema audio system added a lot. Worth a day out.

    Anyway, I'm far from a knowledgeable movie critic, but that's what I took from it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,503 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dialogue was hard to hear over the music...



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Lexie Slow Rectangle


    About an hour and ten minutes.

    I'll leave the percentage sums to you haha.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Would not a movie like "Fat Man and Little Boy" be closer to what you're looking for, then?

    I seem to recall a couple other movies set in Los Alamos as well that deal with the development challenge part of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    Dunkirk was 70% IMAX.

    I can't see Nolan ever topping that in terms of IMAX.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Not in The Lighthouse it wasn't, never had any problem hearing a single part of dialogue.

    Might have been a cinema problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,503 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    yeah, its not like Nolan is known for making his dialogue hard to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    He fixed that in this movie, rarely had an issue with dialogue this time round.





  • Just back from the cinema. Didn't feel like 3hrs.

    Cinema was full for the 7pm showing and in a certain scene you would have been able to hear a pin drop as the few minute's of suspense ended just to silence .

    Kind of eerie knowing that audience was gripped by the scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭recyclops


    An excellent interpretation of the source material, leaned more on the tragedy than the triumph side of the man.

    The film flew by and as said here the actors are all in top form. Oppenheimer himself did little of the science of the bombs so its right to not show much of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Which documentary did you watch in preparation?

    I'll catch Oppenheimer during the week in the day time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭staples7




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