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I wouldn’t agree it’s a mistake. Keeping world peace and relative world stability takes precedent over Ukraine. I know it’s not what people like to hear but that’s the reality.

"the crisis in Ukraine"??

It is not a crisis in Ukraine.It is a crisis for the world outside Ukraine.

In Ukraine it is a war of existential survival.

I don't want the breakup of Russia but if they are not stopped in Ukraine they will probably push on.

Much of the Russian population seems in thrall to some kind of a medieval madness.

If so,it will pass one way or another.

How does sending a strong signal to Moscow over internationally recognized borders incite WW3? Surely its the opposite.

I wasn't calling for the US to carpet bomb Moscow. Just to send a strong message and stronger support.

We know what happens when we fail to deter dictatorships. Little was done when they invaded Afghanistan. Almost nothing was done when they invaded Georgia. The response to the illegal annexation of Crimea and stoking of hostilities in Donbas was tepid. Then we started building Nordstream 2.

And here we are. Closer to WW3 than we've ever been. What happens if another rocket lands in Poland or the Russians decide to do something stupid with the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant? These scenarios even being possible is exactly what failed deterrence looks like.

And now we still have the scenario where the West refuses to say that Ukraine should be allowed to reclaim Crimea. Their internationally recognised territory.

You'd rather the west signal that they're ready to cut a deal over Crimea? You think that will make the world more stable somehow? You want to teach dictatorships that when they murder/loot/rape their way across neighboring countries and steal their land that the West will offer an olive branch to "keep world peace"?

I hope I'm reading your post wrong.

Yes, but correlation does not mean causation. 😎

What happens if another rocket lands in Poland or the Russians decide to do something stupid with the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant?

Basically there needs to be a nuclear response. Ukraine needs to be provided with nuclear missiles. Ukraine did have nuclear missiles but gave them up under assurances from Russia that they would not be hostile towards them. This agreement is dead.

The west needs to supply Ukraine with nuclear missiles. It's not breaking the non-proliferation treaty as Ukraine had had them once which they gave away on understanding that Russia would respect their independence

don't be ridiculous. if anything happens in Ukraine during the war it's russias fault because it wouldn't have happened if they hadn't invaded.

The story will be spun that the west is hoarding the grain and starving Africa and lifting the sanctions on Russia will allow them to get their grain back. They will show grain sitting in rail cars etc and plentiful grain products in European shops. Even with video and photographic evidence of Russian attacks people just believe whatever the loudest and most vociferous message is these days. Another flaw of human existence.

The daily discourse on Russian state TV

On the one hand, you have Kirill blessing tanks, weapons of death and destruction in the name of God, and on the other, Putin bombing places of worship. A seriously f**ked up Country.

Extradordinary, sending a missile into an Orthodox Cathedral and claiming it was a legitimate target. Where is the UN in all this? Where is the Roman pope? Was this a missile blessed by one of Kirill's buddies? When this is over, Kirill and his fellow bishops should be lined up against a wall and disposed of it the traditional Russian way.

They're ratcheting up tension about Poland for some reason

Russian artillery losses

Key Takeaways:

• Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on July 22.
• Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that Ukrainian counteroffensive operations may soon increase in tempo and that the delay in counteroffensive operations was in part due to limited materiel.
• Ukrainian officials stated on July 22 that Ukraine’s interdiction campaign against Russian military targets in rear areas is successfully degrading Russian logistics and counterbattery capabilities, likely contributing to an asymmetrical attrition gradient in Ukraine’s favor.
• Ukrainian forces struck a Russian oil depot and ammunition depot in Crimea as part of this Ukrainian pressure campaign.
• Russian strikes against Ukrainian shipping and agricultural infrastructure in southern Ukraine may be subsiding or entering a temporary lull.
• Further details about former Russian officer and ardent nationalist Igor Girkin’s arrest for extremism continues to suggest a shifting balance of power among Kremlin factions and a notable factionalism within the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), in which Girkin had served.
• Girkin’s affiliates have launched a public effort to cast Girkin as an embattled figure in opposition to Russian leadership.
• Girkin’s arrest has not generated widespread outrage in the Russian ultranationalist community as some previous cases have, suggesting an increasing fragmentation within the information space.
• Girkin’s arrest is likely not an indicator of a wider effort to censor the Russian ultranationalist community, but rather an attempt to excise a specific segment of the community that is vocally hostile to the Kremlin.
• Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line and in the Bakhmut area but did not make gains.
• Russian forces conducted offensive operations in the Kupyansk and Bakhmut areas and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line and made claimed advances in the Kupyansk area.
• Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations along the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make advances.
• Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area but did not make any confirmed or claimed advances.
• Prominent Russian Federation Council members opposed a bill aimed at increasing the upper age limit for the conscription age while maintaining the lower limit of 18.
• Russian occupation authorities continue to relocate Ukrainian children in occupied Ukraine to Russia.
• The Wagner Group’s footprint in Belarus is likely expanding.

While completely exonerating Putin, and supporting him in his war, none the less they are actually pointing up the many successes that Ukraine has had, when they demand to know why or how they happened, and demanding that the people who allowed it to happen, or failed to Punish Ukraine are responsible. And this is now a problem for Putin and his propaganda machine. Solovyov and Margarita are deep in the Kremlin dodo. But what's new with Putin??? The closer you are to him, the closer you are to a premature demise.