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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I see an airbase in Crimea was hit this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I never criticized the CIA or MI6 for not foreseeing the "coup" but they should have a better understanding of what happened. Of course, everyone knew Prigozhin was about to do something - his denunciations of the military leadership i.e. Shoighu and Gerasimov had escalated to the point of being unhinged. Note how Burns dodged a direct question and wouldn't call it a coup i.e. even now he doesn't know whether Prigozhin was striking at Putin.

    It is embarrassing to see some of the Western media spreading CIA claims that they knew all along what Prigozhin was going to do. Notice how the headlines went from claiming that the CIA "saw signs" that Prigozhin would challenge the military leadership (didn't we all!) to "suspected Prigozhin was preparing military action" (i.e. one scenario among many) to your laughable claim that "The CIA knew and stood back to see where the chips fall". Oh, sure! Langley was an oasis of calm reflection that day as a madman headed to Moscow and Putin fled like the Czar.

    Perhaps you think Lukashenko is really a CIA agent who deftly kept the keys to Russia's nuclear arsenal out of this lunatic's hands? And you are confident that the CIA knows what will happen to Prigozhin and the Wagner Group or is that another story that the CIA will "know all along" i.e. only after the event?




  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's really astounding Ukranian soldiers are being ordered to try break through Russian lines without air superiority.

    If they are confident that they will get a lot more air assets within the next few months surely they'd be better off waiting and attacking these lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Waiting benefits Russia during a critical window for counter-offensive. When the mud season starts that window closes.

    Ukraine don't really have a choice but to conduct an offensive, they are however doing probing attacks, seeking weaknesses, rather than taking a massive risk and committing the bulk of their forces. Yes, it's crazy to do it without air cover, but again they don't really have a choice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,531 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    There are two possible explanations as to why America is holding back: it fears the possible consequences of a resounding defeat of Russia. As I have said previously maybe there thinking is it's a case of better the devil you know in Putin. It sounds like from Blinken's recent comments he is hoping Putin will finally see that he has no option but to negotiate as the West is not going to abandon Ukraine. There is another explanation, less likely, and a bit conspiratorial, that it suits the defense industry for a slow bleed of Russia too rather than a total defeat of Russia. A weak Russia can not do much harm to American geo political interests.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Russia will have time to rearm.I don't see the benefit of trying to weaken it militarily except in the present case where it has broken international norms regarding the rights of internationally recognized states to not be attacked in their own borders.


    After this Ukraine war is resolved one way or another Russia will still be free to rearm and will still be accountable for its actions.

    Hopefully it will live in fear and contempt of the neighbours it has mistreated and be obliged to compensate them insofar as that is possible.

    But we have seen how well humiliation worked with Germany after WW1 although I am not sure how accurate that interpretation of the causes of Hitler's rise to power is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭Field east


    .What does all this mean? PAPER never refuses ink - especially red ink . Who decided how many dots there Q should be on this map and what is the source/s ? Can the number and location of the dots be independently verified? AAnd WHAT does each supposed to represent ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    There's a third and also kinda conspiratorial explanation. China has indicated to the US that they do not wish to see a complete collapse of the Russian Federation. The cheap Russian resources suit them just fine as is.

    So the US has stopped short of supplying Ukraine enough to absolutely blow Russia out of the water(Crimea). Which could be destabilizing.

    This is why the allies in the wesr never explicitly state they want Ukraine to win and retake all their territory. They're kinda hoping that Russia will come to the table and negotiate some compromise over Crimea once they've been booted from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. I've always felt this lack of strong messaging is an enormous mistake. But what do i know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They are trenches and fortification lines backed by artillery and all manner of mine fields and tank traps and they are multiple deep.

    It's an impossible task without air power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    A weak Russia can not do much harm to American geo political interests.

    One thing is relatively sure: Russia's political capital is shot to hell in the West, and it's insane to think only a couple of years ago, the narrative spoke of a chastened Europe, reliant on Russian gas and money to keep it stable. Think pieces spoke of a neutered Europe, master strategist Putin the man with a plan and could freeze Europe at a whim. Now whither Russia's clout? Ok, India and China still seem at least civil with them, but I'd not think the relationship is remotely equitable such that those two see Moscow as at the same table. If anything Russia is a moribund, mafia state slowly circling the drain of yet another coup, yet another autocrat promising change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Just my opinion but I think more modern anti aircraft missiles, that both Ukraine and putin's forces have, make the lifespan of any aircraft on the front lines too short to be decisive in the conflict. I think I've seen official comment from the USA saying they don't expect the introduction of more modern aircraft to the forces of Ukraine to provide a major shift in their ability to remove putin's forces from their country so why would they be sitting back and waiting for these to arrive? Ukrainian forces even defending themselves from attacks by putin's forces suffer losses and now while they are taking more offensive actions will still be taking losses but with the benefit of knowing they are moving towards eliminating the moskovytes occupying their country. I've seen comments that the long attritional conflict suits putin but I'm not sure that is true with the economic power of the countries supporting Ukraine many times the size of putin's economic resources. I'd really like to see Ukraine free of putin's invaders quickly but I think Ukraine knows it may take a long time to destroy putin's power so the sooner they move on completing the job the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So far Kermit, the Ukrainian military have not made too many mistakes, have they? Not anything like the Russians have. I'm pretty sure that this current attack is not just an a whim. They will have sussed it out first, and they are the best men to make and carry out a plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, strictly speaking, you could consider Cluster Bombs air power? They are very effective for clearing entrenched positions, and the will work against mines too. For sure, after a few barrages ( and they have millions apparently) marching forward, what's left on the ground, will not be a very good position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    No matter what happens, Russia will be far worse off after this war.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭storker


    There's also the fact that, no matter how much Kermit thinks he knows about the situation, the Ukrainians themselves know vastly more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    "Journalists" you can use that word here very very loosely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Every death in the world ever could be put down to "heart stop"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,476 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ah well, shouldn’t have been there in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    There aren't too many armies in the world who can rely on always having air superiority or even air support. Ukraine has been invaded by a larger nation and a larger army, and they are fighting with what they have (even if they get plenty of material support). It doesn't matter that an "expert" on twitter says they shouldn't, because they don't have X, or because Russia has more y. So far they've done very well despite that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    I've been seriously entertaining this theory for some months now. Everything he does pushes Russia deeper into the sh1t.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,188 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Mere distraction, the lowest form of debate. 🧐

    Wasted my time expecting you to back up your claim that the CIA knew what was happening as Prigozhin marched on Moscow. Even a conspiracy theory couldn't explain that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭yagan


    Some people get comfort from the idea that everything is planned, because the reality is far more unpredictable.

    I honestly thought Putin wouldn't invade, I thought it was all posturing because to invade would simply cripple Russia, but a decade ago I would have laughed at brexit, but hey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The cluster bomb attacks will end the ability of Russia to advance with unsupported infantry, like they did at Bakhmut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm still laughing at Brexit and its folly, but that's for another thread.

    With regards to Putin's plans to invade, it became clear enough near the actual time that Russia was going to make some kind of incursion. Where it would happen and to what intensity was still a topic of discussion on the eve of it, though, as I recall, because I woke up on the morning of it and was shocked to read that not only had Russia invaded, but were pressing on three fronts.

    Then again, if you're invading a country, it would be natural enough to try and keep your planned routes of attack as much a secret as you can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When you are fighting for your very survival, aside from the powerful motivation, you fight like hell with what you have.



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