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Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    When was it banned ? As far as i know it was only banned in some countries after this conflict started. Nothing illegal about going on the channel and getting paid for it at all, thousands of people will of been on it.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There's not much evidence of people being targeted for having the 'wrong' political view - half of the English political establishment and media are right wing and reactionary, with all sorts of controversial opinions (it's a very right wing country in many respects).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not much evidence yet, but when all those freedom of information requests come back from hundreds of other people who have suffered a similar situation, we should have a better idea exactly the reasons why they were shut down.

    More importantly they will show if information was shared with other banks about them, if that happens it is very serious stuff.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    While I am of the opinion Farage is an odious character and I don't agree with any of his political views, It has subsequently turned out that he was denied access to his accounts partly because of his political views, and this was one of the key reasons why his bank account was closed.

    Coutts, apologised to the politician for “deeply inappropriate comments” made about him in official papers, saying they were “commissioning a full review of the Coutts processes” on bank account closures”.

    Meanwhile, the UK Treasury said it was tightening the rules for UK banks over closing customers’ accounts, under changes designed to protect freedom of expression.

    I said previously in this thread that there needs to be legislation and a review of the current bank rules in Ireland to stop this happening here too. I still hold these views. And I don't see why people have being turning stroppy about that in this thread. Accusing people of being right wing Farage lovers JUST FOR EXPRESSING THAT VIEW. You know who you are.

    I have never seen such illogical and unwarranted vitriol in a Boards thread before. And by someone who should know better. (Not talking about you Strazdas, but some other poster earlier on in the thread)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The posters on boards.ie know more about it than the CEO of the group, I wonder if it was a male CEO would Strazdas and the others still be having a different view to the CEO of the business.


    I suspect not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    what about them.

    corbyn wasn't a jew bater either by the way.

    everyone you mention is anything from no risk to not high risk unlike farage.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Farage himself proffered it may be due to the russia links but it turned out not to be the case.

    Your partner in chief on here was whatabouting another politician who was on RT and wanted him banned as well, then went quiet about that, for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like he is considering going down the legal route now. What the hell as a tennis player got to do with all this anyway, i never knew Djokovic was a right wing loon maybe he was getting cash from the Kremlin as well.


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You want to force all businesses to accept all customers for all their products and want legislation towards that end, is that correct? (That is what you're implying).

    Be clear what you actually want here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    How do you imagine he is implying that. Did you read his post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    If you money launder, you are a criminal or are involved in hate crime, the banks/Government should have a right to freeze/stop your account. I have no problem with that.

    But people should have freedom of expression as a basic right in Ireland, and no bank should have the power to shut down your account because they don't agree with what you say politically if what you have said is within the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But as I said, it's hard to imagine that banks have a big issue with political views of its customers. The British PM, the Conservative Party, the Daily Mail, the Daily Telegraph, Nigel Farage, Richard Tice etc are all pretty much interchangeable in their political outlook



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    An anti Semite, who was endorsed by Nick Griffin of the BNP and David Duke of the KKK, showing solidarity with him for his frank views on Jews.


    Who led the Labour party in to such a hole of hate that it was called out by the Ehrc in England, the only party to have the same was his admirer Nick Griffins party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I said previously in this thread that there needs to be legislation and a review of the current bank rules in Ireland to stop this happening here too. 

    Either the poster is making the same mistake as you did in mixing up private banking services with a bank account or wants all current non-legally required services to be open to all and force private business to provide them.

    Care to put forth your thoughts or keeping them to yourself still Danzy? You're normally not so shy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'm shy around those I have a crush on.


    All things being equal, a service should not be denied to someone because they're views on politics are different to that of the board or some corporate committee. It should not in anyway be relevant, discussed or considered in relation to banking etc.


    We know from the internal documents that political disagreement informed this decision, the CEO of the business has apologized for that.


    If it was just impersonal that would have been fine.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    9 other banks have rejected Farage.

    This has nothing to do with "specialist financial services".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    He's referred to corbyn as a "jew baiter" at least three times, completely unprompted, in a thread about Nigel Farage. Noone knows what a "jew baiter" is, let alone why corbyn is one or why it's related to Nigel Farage. Talk about obsessed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    But they offered a natwest bank account so it's not true his account was closed. He was offered an alternative service.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭10000maniacs



    Why have both the BBC and Nat West issued a grovelling apology then?

    "Furthermore, the BBC admitted that part of its reporting was inaccurate in light of the new evidence, in a post on its webpage dedicated to corrections and clarifications.

    It said: “We acknowledge that the information we reported – that Coutts’ decision on Mr Farage’s account did not involve considerations about his political views – turned out not to be accurate.”

    It comes a day after the boss of NatWest Group, which owns Coutts, apologised to the politician for “deeply inappropriate comments” made about him in official papers, saying she was “commissioning a full review of the Coutts processes” on bank account closures”."



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Without allowing a business account, which effectively makes the move impossible.

    Furthermore the sheer hypocrisy that Farage's values "do not align" with Coutts but the same people have no problem with Farage in the same family of banks, in the NatWest offering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    My point is that there is as much reason to block Corbyn from banking services as Farage. He is a nasty man with very nasty views and many very very nasty friends.


    It would be wrong to do it to Corbyn as well.


    I don't hold a candle for either man, if Farage or Corbyn dropped dead today it wouldn't matter one bit as far as I'm concerned.


    Political views must never be an issue for banking, it is the same as recording that a person is a trade unionist and brining that up as part of the reason that they are denied a mortgage.


    It's just plain wrong, regardless of who the story is about. It's much more important than just Farage.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He went to 9 other banks seeking "specialised financial services".

    He didn't just rock up to the local Lloyds or whatever and ask to open a current account.

    He went looking for another bank to give him the VIP treatment and they all said no, likely for the same reasons that Coutts cut him loose - Not enough money to make him worth the hassle of having him.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with "banking" as 99.9% of people understand the term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The CEO of the bank has only chimed in on the issue recently, posters like Annasopra have been here since the beginning of the thread.


    I think Anna's views therefore carry more weight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It was my understanding that the CEO apologised for the language and terms used on internal files related to Farage - not for closing his account. The article I read said she apologised for this and reiterated the invitation for him to open a regular NatWest account



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I got the impression the NatWest apology was just a token 'PR' one, just to get the right wing crowd (establishment and media) off their backs, rather than any admission they had done something seriously wrong.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The CEOs apology isn't saying they were wrong, she's just apologizing for the "tone & language" used.

    Farage isn't getting his account back or anything.

    They are essentially saying " we shouldn't have actually used the words 'racist xenophobe' , we should have been a bit more careful and said ' viewpoints incompatible with our customer base' or something"

    But they are not saying they were wrong to close his account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Hard to know really, as everything that was a "fact" a week ago is turning out to be BS. And the apologies are coming in thick and fast.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Farage himself (again).

    When he talks about a "Business account" he's talking about replicating the same services and facilities that he has with Coutts, he said it himself in his interviews.



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