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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It's a recording of the Mark Meadows biography one. Just hearing it in his own words, sort of hard to deny, not press cuttings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Coincidentally I see MM was the elected Rep for North Carolina's 11th district in the House before he resigned the seat to take up as Trumps White House COS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    A lot of the time when it comes to Trumps errors its best not to focus on the nefarious motives, but more often that not its " its the most stupid reason".

    I definitely think he wanted them to impress his mates after 18 holes and he probably never got around to it while never truly grasping the legal pearl he was in.

    He has a guy called Tom Fitton who he is friends with and has a big following on social media who was likely advising him terribly and because he is a relentless sycophant with good social numbers he heeded his advise over the saner legal people around him who were imploring him to give them back.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Tom Fitton , the head of "Judicial Watch" , the extreme right wing pressure group.

    A man who leads a group focused on driving right wing interpretations of the Constitution.

    A man without any kind of legal training or qualifications whatsoever.

    But because he him tells he's awesome , Trump takes his legal advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DOJ offered trump a settlement on this documents case, Fitton advised him against it. The best people



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yup.

    It was Fitton that told him that he didn't have to give anything back and the DOJ/NARA couldn't make him because of the "Clinton Socks" case.

    A case that has absolutely zero relevance to the Trump situation , a fact that anyone with any kind of legal background would understand with even a cursory examination of the facts of the two cases.

    But Fitton isn't a lawyer , he's an extremist boot-licker so Trump listened to him and not the experienced trial lawyers he had on the payroll at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Its sad that the history of the US presidents early in this century will be littered with Trumps doings, mostly down to his choosing legal advice because it fitted his mindset and not his actual best interests.

    Fitton telling Trump that he could use the ruling of the Clinton "sock-drawer" case to hold on to the classified documents, despite the difference in the circumstances and obvious dis-similarity between the items both former presidents claimed privilege on and Trump chose that free advice over the learned advice of his lawyers, even though Fitton's Judicial Watch group had lost the sock-drawer case it brought against Clinton, is almost laughable except for the office it concerns.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump has never wanted to hear the truth , he has always only ever wanted to hear what makes him feel good about himself or makes him think he's a winner and a Champion.

    Perhaps had he been intelligent enough to have someone around that would "give it to him straight" and tell him when he was being a twat he would have been much more successful in business and maybe even in Politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It'd be nice if Melania told Trump that Barron has something he needs to tell you - cue Barron in a son/father chat: [Pop, like, just get over the loss, you're embarrassing me, people are starting to say how alike we are].



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I see today in the internet media reports that Jack Smith's team met with Rudy Giuliani over two days almost a fortnight ago now to interview him on what he knows about an Oval Office meeting in the period before Trump left office. This specific meeting had been raised in the congress hearings into Trump and his election team's behaviour and in the media an age back now and is old public knowledge now. I'm assuming the prosecutor is seeking confirmation directly from Giuliani that what was stated back then by witnesses is confirmable as true by him and usable in prosecutions. There does seem to have been a lot of plain speaking done at the meeting which was allegedly called to go over ideas on how Trump could scupper the election result using the presidential powers he still held as office-holder.

    Separately, reading between the lawyers and political revelation lines, I see this as Smith's team also aiming to wind up Trump and Co with the notion that Rudy will throw some of them - maybe even the boss himself- under the collective bus hoping that others [even at this late stage] will turn states evidence against others at the Oval Office meeting. I'm assuming that Trump has not reinstated the funding he used to provide for Giuliani's defence since he cut it off in an attempt to distance himself from Giuliani.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/unhinged-trump-white-house-meeting-is-now-focus-of-probe-into-attempt-to-overturn-2020-election/ar-AA1dAP24?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8469947991074cf5ae12336868308f20&ei=18

    Post edited by aloyisious on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Trump's legal team have asked Georgia's highest Court to disqualify and recuse the DA investigating the "request" by Trump to the state Secretary to "find" votes to overturn the election result in that state AND to block evidence gathered by the state from being used in any prosecution of Trump in respect of the interference by Trump in the election result. His team also went to Fulton County superior court seeking similar orders against the DA and a named judge [Judge McBurney] of that superior court who oversaw the Grand Jury hearing the case presented by the DA.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-07-14/trump-lawyers-ask-georgia-courts-to-block-evidence-toss-prosecutor-from-2020-election-probe



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    In essence their argument appears to boil down to "It would be bad for Trump as he tries to become the GOP candidate" and that the investigation done was illegal (because it interviewed people close to Trump) due to this should not be allowed; I can't really see them being very successfull if I'm honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm guessing that he and his legal team might be worried now of an appearance before a jury in a Georgia state court with a successful prosecution, conviction and sentence to a Georgia State prison outside the remit of the federal justice system. Attacking the Georgia State system, including its justice system, from within using the state judges against one of their judicial colleagues and a DA might rebound on him as Trump's team may not have asked either the DA or Judge to recuse themselves as a prior step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's possible that one of the wheels may be falling off the Trump election wagon if reports of Republican Party funders declining to continue funding the party while Trump is one of the candidates for the presidency are correct. His rabbiting-on about being the victim of a stolen election fraud seem to be causing a "ho-hum" deafness to arise in funders, that people are seeing who the liar is, despite Kevin McCarthy standing up to be counted alongside Trump yesterday. His continued conflating of I and WE in his statements about being victimized by lying Joe Biden in a continuing conspiracy to rob him of the presidency may be coming home to roost.

    The judges will likely be next to get a lashing from him for rejecting his lawyers attempts to get them make favourable decision against the criminal cases being built against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Trump is fine when it comes to fundraising, the small donors love him the suckers.

    Their was a decent enough breakdown their tbf. A lot of hot takes about DeSantis running out of money but he is doing ok but obviously a few things to worry about going forward.


    However yeah not all rosy when it comes to 2024. The key states one of them is Michigan and the GOP is a mess a state Trump has to win. Whitmer is a popular governor their which will help Biden. The Arizona GOP is also a mess and their is a chance that Lake will be the GOP senate nominee, her and Trump on the top of the ticket will be a disaster with independent voters who decide these things in AZ.


    https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/michigan/2023/07/14/michigan-republican-party-bankruptcy-kristina-karamo-financial-problems-debt-clare-meeting-fight/70414759007/

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/swing-state-republicans-bleed-donors-cash-over-trumps-false-election-claims-2023-07-05/



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sinema is the problem in Arizona - If she runs and splits the Democrat/Independent vote then she could hand the Senate seat to Lake which is a terrifying thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Its true that the small donors like Trump, it's into who's account the money goes and the actual use its put to is where the difference lies when it comes to the funders. The major funders seem to prefer their funding to go into the party efforts. They want their dollars worth where it come to the input from elected people in Washington and state capitols. Naturally they are not going to say you know who is a conman as he has proven he has a lot of red baseball cap lovers who are willing to do his bidding when he drops one of his vague "action is needed" hints.

    Sinema seems to have resolutely nailed her colours to the Trump mast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2




    Senate race could be an absolute mess if Sinema runs as an independent ,if that happens impossible to predict how it goes down.

    I think the issue though even if Sinema does not run, Trump and Lake on a same ticket is very messy for the top of their ticket in that state.

    You can argue that despite some impressive inroads from the Dems over the years with some nice scalps its still a slightly red state but its most certainly not a MAGA state.

    Its an issue the GOP have in many battleground states, MAGA is simply not popular with the swing/indy voters who are needed to win these type of elections.

    Look at Texas, Cruz up in 2024 he should win but if you asked him would he rather have been on the ticket with Abbot in 2022 or Trump in 2024, what do you think he would say?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t one of Sinema’s big problems in re-election is that her volunteers that won her the last election want absolutely nothing to do with her anymore?

    She just won’t have the base of willing workers that she’ll need.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    She hasn't a chance of getting elected herself , but she could carve off enough of the Democrat/Independent to vote make it next to impossible for the Democrat candidate to win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    I think with Lake/Trump on top of the ticket screeching about stolen elections and Rinos, Sinema could peel off plenty of suburban Republican voters which makes it even more complicated, although in a three way Lake should still fall over the line. Any other Republican in that potential three way would win quite comfortably though, that's the MAGA "magic" in a swing state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Judge Cannon decided that May 2024 will be fine for former president Trump's trial on charges of illegal retention of classified documents. It wasn't the date that Mr Trump and his legal team, nor the federal prosecution, wanted. It is during the period that persons seeking the presidential nomination start renewing party friendships but before the chosen one is named as the party nominee. Its close to the time that Mr Trump is due for trial in NY on charges related to "off the books" hush money payments to Stormy Daniels.

    Odds on that Mr Trump legal team will seek adjournments of the Florida trial from Judge Cannon on the grounds of bias, if not downright jury disaffection due to the media.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    An interesting talking point sent out to the surrogates basically saying " drop out the primary is over and unite behind Trump",,,,clearly he is feeling the pinch financially. I don't think it will stop him winning the primary but only so much naïve retirees can send him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed hes burning through donations to fund his legal fight, his base will be tapped out when it comes time to actually campaign



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And his legal bills aren't going to get any smaller as the primaries or the election proper progresses,

    $40M this year so far , can expect that his bills in the second half of the year will be higher as I would expect that his lawyers are going to be in court a LOT more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm reading from the UK site "The Daily Digest" a story by Zeleb.es that relays: a healthy portion of Republicans now view Trump unfavourably, that his support has dropped 9 points since last year according to the Pew research Centre. I'm hoping that it's a true report and not a hopeful poll tale not to be relied on. The GOP polls say differently; then one would suppose they would in the info-wars situation he's landed the US in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Indicted again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    And not just for anything.

    The c*** tried to fraudulently overturn the result of a free and fair democratic general election.

    Post edited by amandstu on


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Long time coming with that indictment but, of course, it won't shift the needle of the base. Trumpism is a cult and given the pre-existing narrative already spoke of conspiracy and corruption against Trump and his conservative acolytes, this will only serve to confirm their resting siege mentality the liberals are out to get them.

    The question remains now: will the GOP publicly defend and back him? Broad support should be untenable as t this stage, but who knows? It's not like they have a better, more popular candidate given the dearth of electable human beings for 2024 - while what difference, if any, does Mitch McConnell's failing health make here? Trump isn't the only crisis ATM what with McConnell's very public stroke, or whatever that "pause" was.



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