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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looking like Putin is putting an end to any shipping going to Ukraine via the blacksea,

    No help from NATO , the EU or the UN





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    If western ships are sent there will we have a Cuban missile style standoff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What do you suggest the West does here? Fast to criticise these days, but short of another Cuban Missile Crisis, what are the options here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I don't believe that the Russians are capable of opening up a brand new front with 100k men.

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    The fighting you're reference is taking place near Kupyansk. The scale of the fighting is likely very small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Love to see Turkey get involved here, but I'd say think they said they wont risk escalation

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief


    While Arestovych himself can be sidelined, what he said cannot be so easily dismissed IMO, ie a smaller Ukraine comes to a border agreement with Russia and then joins NATO. Theres a certain amount of deviousness to it as well as it being a double edged prospect to both sides. Russian aggression is rewarded, but what Putin detests the most, Ukraine joining NATO, still happens. For Ukraine, it loses territory, but gets to join NATO so getting the benefits of mutual protection article 5 etc. I'd expect the idea to keep popping up from time to time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well the short ( and accurate answer to all these vote catching low hanging fruit woke candidates) If Putin is not stopped now, then he will have to be stopped when he joins with his erstwhile Chinese Friend, Xi Jinping if we go to war over Taiwan, and you can rest assured the price will be far higher then, and not alone financially, but in blood shed, American blood shed. Fighting the cartels should be enough of a vote puller without affecting support to Ukraine, which as far as these things go, is pretty much small beans. Its just De Santis making noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Its one of many hypotheticals.

    Currently Zelensky and the Ukraine leadership are conducting a counter-offensive and liberating as much of their territory as they can, which is the present reality. If they continue to make gradual gains, I don't see them pre-maturely ending that any time soon. They are also continually weakening the Russian military which is in Ukraine's interest, we can see constant indicators of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Fast to criticise, I've been openly critical of the slow actions of the west since day one , while others want to be cheerleaders, I prefer real action that would have prevented this war in the first place,or given the Ukrainians the ability to actually beat the Russian occupation force,

    So now Russia is physically threatening Ukrainian and international shipping,now remember when we all watched Russian ships full of stolen grain from Ukraine sailing through the black sea and onto the Mediterranean sea before offloading the cargo ships which turned up later in Syria and and other friend of Russias ports , what did the international community do, absolutely nothing, when cargo ships carrying Russian weapons via Iran and Syria sailed through the Mediterranean sea and onto the black sea for occupied ports in Ukraine and other ports in Russia what did the international community do , nothing,

    What do I expect the international community to do now absolutely nothing as per usual,

    But I do expect that they man up and say we will prevent anyone threatening Ukrainian shipping in the black sea or anywhere else and we will protect grain shipments.

    But what will actually happen,a statement on social media and nothing else,



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  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief


    Terrible as this war is, the consequences of war over Taiwan would be multiple times worse. If the US and the West were willing to wage Gulf War 1 over Saddam controlling 20% of the worlds oil reserves when he occupied Kuwait, imagine what would happen with Taiwan thats responsible for 60% of the worlds semiconductor chip output. Many consider these chips to be the technological driver of the 21st century global economy as oil drove the 20th century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Totally agree, even General Mark Miley is saying that they need to get serious about sending weapons to Taiwan now ,but for the the last while Pacific countries have been invited to NATO conferences which suggests a pivot towards a future conflict that doesn't involve Ukraine,

    The biggest issue in America is American society is divided and getting further apart on a daily basis,the majority of Americans have little or no opinion on the war in Ukraine,they do seem to be getting more vocal about internal issues immigration and Fentnal,than anything else,I think they believe the Russians are old News, I had a weird experience stateside recently where during a live performance audience members were asked where they came from one lady said Ukraine and got booed like she was some badguy several others passed no incidents till a lady said she was from Moscow and people started cheering ,

    You have the right and far crying about them or that's commies and yet Americans were Cheering a Russian and booing a Ukrainian,

    Even certain types in the media are pushing the notion that they need to strike the Chinese,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    I get the impression that a lot of Americans hate their government/cia/fbi...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They do,but they don't have great things to say about Ukrainians either,and yet the Ukrainians are the victim in this war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia has no problem standing on the heads of people who support it, number one.

    Number two, food shortages in Africa/Middle East would affect Europe via increased migrant numbers, and that's always great fuel for political instability, something which Russia would be keen enough to promote among its enemies.

    Three, I presume Ukraine gets money for the grain it ships, and that's a resource it needs as much of as it can get.

    Russia keeps on pushing. It would not be before time that the West pushes back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Most Americans couldn’t point out Russia on a map. Never mine Ukraine. Come to think of it. They probably couldn’t point out America.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Didn't the Queen, Defender of the Faith, launch an aircraft carrier with "God bless this ship and all who sail on her?" I'm pretty sure chaplains are involved in the commissioning ceremonies as well...

    I mean, of all the things to get worked up about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,179 ✭✭✭eire4


    Some do, but a lot? What exactly do you consider a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The religious apparatus in Russia is heavily linked to the FSB and Kremlin. The patriarch is especially close to Putin. They are supportive of the invasion and have labelled Ukrainians as "evil". The whole thing is a little darker than a queen launching ships or standard army chaplains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,179 ✭✭✭eire4


    The majority of Americans I know are supportive of Ukraine. Beyond that I have never heard or seen Americans actually bashing Ukraine other then some of their political far right Republicans you see on TV. I have seen many Ukrainian flags outside houses or in work spaces never once have I seen a flag of the Russian dictatorship. I say the above as someone who spends part of the year working in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's more or less what the poster advocates for: "Imho the “west” should do nothing beside continuing to arm Ukraine and maybe giving them missiles to send more of Russia’s black fleet to bottom of sea" Add finance to that in lieu of grain sales.

    Then let Putin's third world supporters really consider who is their friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Most, not all, of Africa has poor to incredibly poor land, especially the heavily populated parts. Ukrainian grain also feeds North Africa and much of the middle East.


    Given the ultra free market approach to migration in Europe, there will tens of millions looking North to Europe, year after year.


    The establishment will talk of solidarity etc and that's all,no talk of security, self defense, chaos.


    Russia should be told that any attack on international shipping and threats to global food security will meet a measured response, sink the black sea fleet. Any airlines that fly in to Russia will be sanctioned, and blocked from European airspace, etc etc.


    The Russians are calling the West's bluff by destroying the port in Odessa though.


    Ukraine is blessed that it is a corrupt leader like Putin trying it on and Putin is blessed that his opponents in the West are so lackluster. He'd probably be in ditch already but for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Can't put a percentage on it. It is just an impression I get. America is very divided and has lost the patriotism they had in the days of J.F.K.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭circadian


    It's religious radicalisation of the populaces



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Inevitable spike in grain prices will lead to our supermarkets riding the holes off us again and maybe this time we'll do something about it and shove it down their necks. Too many cnuts have been using this war as an excuse to ride us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Yes. Notable treaties that were disregarded are the Paris climate change and the Iran deal. So it can be done but you need political will to get it done as well. Shutting off the Iran economy and reducing climate regulations are an easy sell.


    Less arms manufacturing (or less of whatever the US is spending money on) is a harder sell to those businesses making money off of it. Plus it makes the US look weak to back down against Russia now it is committed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    On Monday night at Chornomorsk port Odessa in excess of 60,000 tons of grains went up in flames after Russian strikes,

    Barely been a peep said about it in the media,if Ukrainian grains don't leave Ukrainian ports the world and Europe will face shortages and price increases



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